Kineski lovac pete generacije J-20

21

Kineski lovac pete generacije J-20

offline
  • Toni  Male
  • SuperModerator
  • Pridružio: 18 Jun 2008
  • Poruke: 26676
  • Gde živiš: Petrovgrad

Pa kad dobijemo slike koje ce biti srazmerne velicine onda cemo tacno videti(i jos kad se ova prva dva uopste zavrse) ali vidi se da je Kinez najveci i "najdeblji". Sve vise mi izgleda kao presretac, MIG-31 pete generacije...
Rus je "tanak" u poredjenju sa Kinezom gledano iz profila ali ima sirinu gledano od gore i dole. Na taj nacin su dobili veliku uzgonsku povrsinu, mesto za oruzje i gorivo i veliki dolet koji je njima potreban.



Registruj se da bi učestvovao u diskusiji. Registrovanim korisnicima se NE prikazuju reklame unutar poruka.
online
  • S-lash 
  • Legendarni građanin
  • Pridružio: 09 Apr 2008
  • Poruke: 4698
  • Gde živiš: Slovenija

pa mozemo sklepati po pilotu, ako odmislimo da su kinezi u startu malo manji Mr. Green

Ali za stelt lovca kojemu je namjenjena uloga "očistiti nebo" ruski mi se način razmišljanja najviše sviđa.

Ali ipak amerikanac je ako se ne varam F/A-22 znači mišljen i za napade na zemlju, dok za PAK-FA koliko znamo o njemu to nije namjena. Varam se? Rusi če to praviti sa SU-34.

Kinez je kao uvjek tajna. Vidjet čemo sa vremenom.



online
  • S-lash 
  • Legendarni građanin
  • Pridružio: 09 Apr 2008
  • Poruke: 4698
  • Gde živiš: Slovenija

jedna analiza:
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-J-XX-Prototype.html

offline
  • Pridružio: 05 Feb 2009
  • Poruke: 609

PAK FA iz profila, ne izgleda nešto, ali je zato u vazduhu najopakiji. On mi je aerodinamički najprečišćeniji. J 20 sa kanardima u gracioznosti nema šta da traži protiv njega. Odlučili su se za kanarde tj, patka konfiguraciju, ako se ne varam, iako je dokazano da kanardi negativno utiču na nevidljivost. Baš me zanima gde im je tu računica. Nisu rusi zabadava eliminisali kanarde na SU 35

offline
  • Pridružio: 05 Feb 2009
  • Poruke: 609

SAC i CAC su u svakom slučaju konkurenti i kinezi će gledati da im ravnomerno opterete proizvodne kapacitete radi opšteg dobra. Mislim da je PLAAF pred velikim promenama. Verovatno će J 8 i J 7 potpuno zameniti J 10 B i J 11. J 10 B bi trebao da ima dobre izvozne perpektive, a upitno je da li će J 11 biti izvožen, zbog odnosa sa rusijom, možda zato bude proizvedno više njih za PLAAF, tim pre što Chengdu, neuspešno reklamira poboljšani J 8

Sad je sve na kinsekim institutima za motore i radioelektroniku sad, kad je prototip tu, nema više vremena za prazan hod. Mislim da pred najširom provalijom stoje u oblasti motora, jer tu moraju da stvore principialno nove tehnologije proizvodnje i obrade novih materijala, pogotovo što J 20 izgleda najteži u konkurenciji...

offline
  • Taso  Male
  • Super građanin
  • Pridružio: 28 Maj 2008
  • Poruke: 1090
  • Gde živiš: Terra Australis

Jos jedna analiza od Andrei Cheng (aka 'Pinkov') - urednik Kanwa Publishing iz Hong Konga i pise uglavnom na temu Kineske vojske.....smatra se da je Kineski Rusofil do te mere da je svoje Kinesko ime zamenio sa Andrei.

Kao sto vidite ispod, hvali CAC za originalni dizajn i kritikuje SAC za kopiranje Ruskih aviona...

Citat:A rough translation of previous article.

Andrei Chang on "the fourth generation fighter with Chinese characteristics"

Today, Kanwa founder Andrei Chang said that the Factory 132 in Chengdu debut a four generations aircraft in December is real. He said this time the propaganda department of China Aviation Industry Group for this aircraft did not appear to be strictly controlled.

Andrei Chang said that this is a very mature and creative design, Chengdu 132 is a successful plant with a real strength, the winner should not be criticized (Stalin).

Andrei Chang believed the emergence of four generations fighter would bring a complete end to imitation of Chinese military aircraft industrial era. China would become one of the important pole of the world's aviation industry.

He also again severely criticized Shenyang Aircraft Corporation cloning Su33 and Su27UBK and believed Shenyang Aircraft Corporation has the need to learn from Chengdu. "The former approach, resulting in a very bad influence on international relations, ruin the already fragile Russian-Chinese military cooperation, and is not necessary." Andrei Chang said.

Chengdu four generations aircraft has all moving vertical tail, section of the all movable acting delta wings, edge design, provide China's fourth generation aircraft with unprecedented maneuvering, especially lateral maneuvering, low maneuvering and to compensate for its inadequate vector propulsion technology. But the delta wing would sacrifice a certain degree of stealth, in spite of this 132 plants is pragmatic, when China stealth materials technology does not reach the level of F22, in order to make some kind of compensation for the high maneuvering, such a design is reasonable. " Andrei Chang said.

Andrei Chang said that it is worth noting that the aircraft is using engine that made in China, there is no installation of vectoring nozzle, this is a recognized proof of WS10 is accepted. It is also a pioneering undertaking in the history of international aviation, as a new aircraft in the flight test phase used a new engine.

Andrei Chang said that the large-scale body design and built-in internal bay are needed, so that J20 is actually a concept of multi-role fighter. After the installation of air refueling, the ability to launch long-range cruise missiles on Guam. At the same time when the next phase installation of large thrust engine, the rear fuselage needs to be properly expanded to accommodate more fans, so this design has some valid.

But Andrei Chang said that for the matter of stealth or the cruising speed, this aircraft does not meet the four generations of US-Russian aircraft and it can not reach the standard of four-generation fighter, it is a typical four generations fighter "with Chinese characteristics". In accordance with J20's empty weight and engine with after burn, the current J20 is incapable to reach supersonic cruise capability. It has no vector propulsion technology. With this alone, this aircraft does not meet the standard of the West and Russian four generations fighter. Furthermore, phased array radar development still requires at least 7-8 years. At the trial flights J20 aircraft is not equipped vector forward nozzle.

However, Andrei Chang said that within 10-15 years after the implementation of WS15 with an 15,000 kg large turbofan engines(the key is material) and active phased array radar, J20 will meet the standard of the Russia and the U.S. to become a fully capable four generations aircraft or even better in maneuvering.

(Sino Defence)

online
  • Pridružio: 02 Avg 2008
  • Poruke: 5884

Znaci ipak je ugradjen kineski motor.

offline
  • Taso  Male
  • Super građanin
  • Pridružio: 28 Maj 2008
  • Poruke: 1090
  • Gde živiš: Terra Australis

stegonosa ::Znaci ipak je ugradjen kineski motor.

Da, verovatno WS-10A....ali jos uvek nema potvrde.

offline
  • Pridružio: 05 Feb 2009
  • Poruke: 609

Valjda bi trebao da kritikuje Shenjangov dizajn, kad avion bude prikazan uživo ( ako on postoji, u šta se iskreno nadam). I taj rok od 10-15 godina za imaplementaciju WS 15 mi izgleda jako preuveličan. A ovo da prikazani avion nema mogućnost za superkrstarenje, to je revolucionarno otkriiće, šta bi svet bez njega :s :s :s. Imaće Andrej, ne tuguj !

Osim toga kinezi na AESA radaru rade, već najmanje 3 godine i pojava prototipa će ih samo ubrzati

offline
  • jazbar 
  • Legendarni građanin
  • Pridružio: 28 Dec 2009
  • Poruke: 15932
  • Gde živiš: Lublana

Materiali za najnovije zapadne lopatice turbine motora su iz posebnih materiala, koje ni Rusi ni Kinezi nisu još ovladali. Preko tih materiala se nanosi sloj keramike pomoću nanotehnologije. Materiali moraju čak da imaju rast kristala prema unutrašnjosti lopatice da bi se pojaćala konstrukcija. Uglavnom jako jako komplikovano.

Ko je trenutno na forumu
 

Ukupno su 902 korisnika na forumu :: 81 registrovanih, 7 sakrivenih i 814 gosta   ::   [ Administrator ] [ Supermoderator ] [ Moderator ] :: Detaljnije

Najviše korisnika na forumu ikad bilo je 2918 - dana 22 Nov 2019 07:48

Korisnici koji su trenutno na forumu:
Korisnici trenutno na forumu: alkatraz080, Apok, aramis s, Atomski čoban, Batinas, bojank, Boris BM, botta, Branke90, branko7, brundo65, Bubili, Bubimir, cifra, Darkhunter, Denaya, DH, doklevise, dragan_mig31, Drug pukovnik, dukajov, ekozelj, FOX, goran.vvv, goxin, GreenMan, hawkeye, hooraay, hurmiza, hyla, ikan, JOntra, kljift, kunktator, ladro, Lieutenant, Ligavesh, Litostroton, ljuba, ljuka988, Lord Nem, maiden6657, MaksicZoran, mercedesamg, milan op1978, milan47, Milos ZA, Miskohd, mnn2, moldway, naki011, nenad81, nevjerna beba, opt1, pedja.st, pein, procesor, regul, RobinHood12, rodoljub, S-lash, S2M, sakota79, Shinobi, Simon simonović, Smd, Sr.Stat., Srky Boy, Steeeefan, stegonosa, trajkoni018, trikomso, upitnik, vathra, Vatrogasaccc, vobo, vranjanac29, Webb, zhuki8, Živković, 1107