MiG-29 Fulcrum

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MiG-29 Fulcrum

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Mislim da je kojim slucajem MiG-29 zapadni avion, a F-16 istocni da bi MiG imao uspesniju karijeru od F-16. Ovo mislim iz samo jednog razloga, a to je novac ! Zapad je mnogo bogatiji i ima vise para da ulaze i unapredjuje svoje avione dok je istok, kako i sami znate, mnogo siromasniji pa je i samim tim manje ulagao u modernizaciju i unapredjenje svojih aviona.



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bojim se da se to sto istok nema novca odrazava samo na njihove nabavke novih aviona za svoje rv, a ne na unapredjivanje. pogledajte ljudi koliko varijanti ima i mig-29/35 i su-27/30/34/35.



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Ima mnogo da, ali i dalje ti sjajni avioni ne ulaze u vece serijske proizvodnje. Sto je velika steta. MiG-29 su unapredili u MiG-35 i sad se ceka kupac ? A gde su kupci ? Slabo ce ko da kupi avion koji ni njegova maticna zemlja nema u naoruzanju.

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mig-u se crno pise ako ne proda mig-35 indiji - u njega je sigurno mnogo ulozeno. mig-29kub je ok ali ih je relativno malo za dalji razvoj novih aviona, osim ako vlada ne uleti sa kesom, sto opet nije iskljuceno. mozda je najrealnije da se fuzionisu mig i suhoj, tj. da suhoj proguta mig jer mu je finansijska situacija. ipak, izgleda indiji, maleziji i dr. ne smeta sto sami rusi nisu kupili recimo su-30mkii dr.

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Vlado da dodam na tu tvoju teoriju o novcu Wink

Prototip SU-34 je uradjen jos 1990. a predstavljan kao SU-34 1994. a tek sad ulazi u serijsku proizvodnju.

SU-35,prvi prototip 1988. predstavljen kao SU-35 sa kanardima 1993. sad ce tek da udje u serijsku proizvodnju.

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Nije bilo sredstava,MIG-29 je zasluzio modernizovane varijante SMT i SMT 2 u mnogo vecem broju,ali i Rusija i vecina zemalja koje su ga imale su bile u ne bas dobrom stanju,tako da je retko gde MIG-29 unapredjen u neku pristojnu varijantu.

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i prototip rafale je prvi put poleteo 1986, a uveden je u operativnu upotrebu 2000. savrmeena tehnika itekako zahteva dug period, posebno zbog kraja hladnog rata, gde su bez novca ostali svi, ne samo rusi.

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evo odlicna analiza MiG-29 vs. Su-27. Naslov je vrlo zanimljiv "Su-27: Russia's Top Fighter of the Cold War?" znak pitanja nagovestava dosta

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_288.shtml

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inace, u sukobina eritreje i etiopije, evo jedan link:

http://www.geocities.com/~dagmawi/NewsMay2000/Airforce_SU27_Mig29.html

za one lenje:

"Air combat between Ethiopian and Eritrean air forces, 1999 - Su-27 vs Mig-29

Source: unverified Usenet military aviation discussion forum

Besides taking out four Eritrean MiG-29s (plus one written off due to damage recieved from a AAM) Ethiopian Su-27s also carried out many strike missions against the Eritrean ground forces. While MiG-23s carried most of the bombing missions i think the Su-27 was used in a more penetrative role using Air-to-ground missiles etc.

Interesting to note that all MiG-29s were shot down in close-quarters turning dogfights. All kills were by means of the R-73. R-27s fired by both MiGs and Su-s on various occassions failed to find their mark.

One uneventful incident occured when two Su-27s were intercepted over Eritrean airspace by four MiGs. The lead Su-27 was targeted by the MiGs which fired three R-27s head-on. The Lead evaded the missiles and then proceeded to engage all four MiGs by firing four R-27s in quick succession. The missiles missed and the MiGs left in a hurry.

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Ethiopia purchased 5 second-hand Su-27 Flanker-As from Russian. One was lost in a demonstration in Ethiopia. Eritrea purchased about 8 second hand MiG-29 Fulcrum-As from the Ukraine. AS it is five MiG were lost due to Su-27s.

Single MiG-29s were shot down on separate days in late February. Then two were shot down in one engagement with Su-27s in March. One MiG-29 was also supposedly written-off on landing after being damaged by a Su-27.

As far as ive been told ALL kills were made with R-73 Archers. Some head-to-head R-27 shootouts did occur but with no visible results (the written-off MiG couldve been damaged in one of these).

Claims and denials from the powers-that-be make the task of finding the truth... complicated.

As far as I know there are no significant differences between early and new or domestic and export R-27 variants. (Excluding the active radar homing R-27AE which was cancelled in favour of R-77, and the R-27EM which is only used with the Su-33, AFAIK.)

As for why the R-27s might have missed, it's not terribly suprising IMHO. The Sparrow has had a success rate of only 30% or so against MiG-21/23s flown by poorly trained pilots who usually did't even know they're being fired upon... "

su-27 su obarali mig-29 i to u dogfajtu. cuo sam da su imali pilote - placenike iz rusije i ukrajine. r-27 se pokazala lose, r-73 je odradila sav "posao".

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Nema Venecuela MiG-29SMT vec je kupila Su-30. MiG-29SMT imaju Indija i Peru. Obe zemlje imaju i Mirage-2000. I umesto da kupe jos polovnih mirage-2000 oni eto daju lepe pare za dodatna unapredjenja ruskih "kanti".

To su dve zemlje koje imaju pare.

Ostatak korisnika MiG-29 ili nema novce ili je u NATO-u pa se ratosilja sovjetske tehnike (ima izuzetaka).

Ko sto neko rece, da je MiG-29 bio kojim slucajem americki avion danas bi svi MiG-29 u svetu bili dovedeni na nivo M.

Danas je MiG tu gde jeste. Pre svega zbog loseg menadzmenta (primer posla sa Alzirom) a ne zbog "losih" borbenih iskustava.

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