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Bila su dva ugovora svojevremeno potpisana za tu modernizaciju ,prvo preko 50 B na nivo BM iz 2011 a onda 2014 i novi ugovor za remont i modernizaciju preko 50 DZ i BS na nivo DZM i BSM ( stalno ponavljaju BM a znamo da svi modern. avioni su samo BM )
 [Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]
Ostaje da vidimo koliko ce ih jos biti do kraja o.g. i koliko ce barem do 2020g biti operativno aviona osnovne verzije .
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Poslao: 21 Feb 2018 11:37
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Napisano: 21 Feb 2018 11:15
ray ban11 ::^
Odlicno ,e sad jedino ako nisu malo `saltali` one Bort- brojeve kako znaju .Inace je bio ugovor za remont i modernizaciju ukupno 113 aviona ,znaci na nivo BM,BSM i DZM.Izgleda da su ga presisali . 
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Jedino ako zadnjih godina nisu izgubili nekog od tih modernizovanih ?
Modernization of MiG-31 = MiG-31BM
"BSM" Does not exist. All the aircraft are MiG-31BM
"DZM" does not exist. MiG-31DZ can not be upgraded to the BM standard
MiG-31BM:
Commencement of work on serial modernization: 2006
Factory designation for modernization:
"Type 28" - modernization of the MiG-31B "изделие 12" (Ex-"из.01Б") in the MiG-31BM , the beginning since 2006)
"Type 58" - modernization of MiG-31BS "изделие 06" (ex-"из.01БC") in the MiG-31BM , since 2013
"Type 78" - modernization of the MiG-31 "изделие 01" in the MiG-31BM , since the end of 2015
CONTRACTS:
113 aircraft were contracted with SOKOL:
60 at the end of 2011 and 53 at the end of 2014
When the first contract of 60 was signed with SOKOL in 2011, there were already 14-20 serial MiG-31BM in active, including the first squad of 10 in Monchegorsk and 4 in Savasleyka. Also several prototypes.
It is not clear if the first 6 that Kansk received in 2011 are part of the contract for 60 or not.
Also several small contracts have been signed with ARZ 514 of Rzhev, at least:
3 type 28 in 2013 for Monchegorsk
2 type 58/78 in 2014, another 2 in 2015 and two in 2017
In total ,at least 135 aircraft will be modernized for 4 regiments (Kansk, Khotilovo, Uglovaya and Perm) and 3 squadrons (Savasleyka, Monchegorsk, Yelizovo)
If Monchegorsk and/or Yelizovo become regiments, then probably will be necesary to repair/update some MiG-31DZ , however this is not "BM"
ray ban11 ::Bila su dva ugovora svojevremeno potpisana za tu modernizaciju ,prvo preko 50 B na nivo BM iz 2011 a onda 2014 i novi ugovor za remont i modernizaciju preko 50 DZ i BS na nivo DZM i BSM ( stalno ponavljaju BM a znamo da svi modern. avioni su samo BM )
[Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]
Ostaje da vidimo koliko ce ih jos biti do kraja o.g. i koliko ce barem do 2020g biti operativno aviona osnovne verzije .
That is not the case, when the 2011 contract was signed, at least there are already 20 modernized MiG-31Bs to BM-type 28 including the prototypes/preseries
Half of the contract of 60 of 2011, received from 2014 to 2016 are type 58/78 (without probe)
All those received from the last contract are type 58/78
About 50 MiG-31B (including several, 5 or 6, prototypes/preseries) have been upgraded to MiG-31BM-type 28
Also near 75 MiG-31/31BS have been already upgraded to MiG-31BM type58/78
Pherhaps other 15 or so are pending to receive
Most of the MiG-31BM type 58/78 were not in service with the regiments before modernizing
About 45-50 were taken from the Reserve Base 4020 of Lípetsk (see satellite images of the last years) and perhaps some from Knevichi ARZ 153 and also some from the depot of Rzhev ARZ 514.
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Poslao: 21 Feb 2018 11:52
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@AMCXXL
Predpostavljam da to nisu ruski izvori ? Ako je ruski izvor da li moze neki link sajta sa tim iznetim podacima ,hvala .
BM ne znaci `Bolshaja Modernizacija` kao nekad vec B-Bazovoi Modernizovani .Posto postoje verzije DZ( Izdelie 01DZ ) i BS ( Izdelie 01BS ) ,modernizacijom tih aviona se dolazi do verzija BSM i DZM .To su ruski izvori ,sve ostalo tesko da je tacno i pouzdano .
Citat:МиГ-31БСМ Модернизация МиГ-31БС 2014 года без штанги дозаправки в воздухе.МиГ-31ДЗ, их начали доводить до уровня МиГ-31БМ, эти машины именуются МиГ-31ДЗМ.
Neki detalji se vide na sledecim slikama :
[Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]
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Poslao: 21 Feb 2018 11:55
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zixo ::До сада сам по фоткама идентификовао 115 модернизованих авиона.
Ахтубинск: 2
Саваслейка 13 (8 т.58 + 5 т.28 не используется с 2015 года, возможна передача в Хотилово)
Мончегорск 13 (t.28 )
Хотилово 19 (3 т.28 + 16т.58 )
Канск 24 т.28 + 3-4 т.58/78. Nº09,11,34 катастрофа, заменена Nº15,16,25. Nº04 не летает с 2011 года. возможно, заменен другим неопознанным
Угловая 24
Канск 19 и пропустить часть 2017 года для определения.
Возможно также неизвестный самолет 2015 года
117 известных и несколько ожидающих
Кроме того, еще 13 были объявлены к поставке в 2018 году
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Poslao: 21 Feb 2018 11:59
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Da li je ta oznaka BM zapravo iz NAZ `Sokol ` i 514ARZ Rhzev ? Da li oznake MiG-31BM,DZM i BSM postoje u VKS Rusije tj u operativnim jedinicama ? Hvala za podatke i informacije .
Citat:MiG-31BM:
Commencement of work on serial modernization: 2006
Factory designation for modernization:
"Type 28" - modernization of the MiG-31B "изделие 12" (Ex-"из.01Б") in the MiG-31BM , the beginning since 2006)
"Type 58" - modernization of MiG-31BS "изделие 06" (ex-"из.01БC") in the MiG-31BM , since 2013
"Type 78" - modernization of the MiG-31 "изделие 01" in the MiG-31BM , since the end of 2015
Da li ovo avione osnovne verzije ( proizvodjeni do 1985g ) dovode na nivo BM tj ugradjuju im radare N007AM `Zaslon-AM` ?
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Poslao: 21 Feb 2018 12:23
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Да могуће да их има и више него што сам навео, ја сам само написао да имам 115 потврђених по фоткама.
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Poslao: 21 Feb 2018 13:09
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ray ban11 ::@AMCXXL
Predpostavljam da to nisu ruski izvori ? Ako je ruski izvor da li moze neki link sajta sa tim iznetim podacima ,hvala .
BM ne znaci `Bolshaja Modernizacija` kao nekad vec B-Bazovoi Modernizovani .Posto postoje verzije DZ( Izdelie 01DZ ) i BS ( Izdelie 01BS ) ,modernizacijom tih aviona se dolazi do verzija BSM i DZM .To su ruski izvori ,sve ostalo tesko da je tacno i pouzdano .
Citat:МиГ-31БСМ Модернизация МиГ-31БС 2014 года без штанги дозаправки в воздухе.МиГ-31ДЗ, их начали доводить до уровня МиГ-31БМ, эти машины именуются МиГ-31ДЗМ.
Neki detalji se vide na sledecim slikama :
[Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]
"BM". Modernization of the "B" standard aircrafts
Official factory names:
MiG-31 (original). Product 01. 349 units built. No refueling probe
MiG-31DZ. Product 01DZ . 101 units built at the end of the 80s . refueling probe
MiG-31B. Product 12 (formerly 01B) 69 units produced in the early 90s. 15-16 units stayed in Kazakhstan . With probe
MiG-31BS Product 06 (formerly 01BS) upgrade to standard MiG-31B aircrafts of Product 01. About 90+ units. No probe
MiG-31BM Modernization of aircraft with standard B
-Type 28: modernization Product 12
-Type 58: modernization Product 06
-Type 78: modernization Product 01
Also prototypes:
Product 83: Ye-155MP , first prototyprs from MiG-25MP
Product 07: MiG-31D "antisatellite"
Product 79: MiG-31LL "fligth laboratory" for test the ejection seats.
Product 05: MiG-31M , modifcation of Project MiG-31
Product ??
Mig-31I prototype satellite-launcher
MiG-31E for export
MiG-31F figther-bomber Project
The link you write is a personal page, in which things that are not true are written.
You can search for correct information in Russian forums where specialists write about the MiG-31.
I do not know if in this forum it is allowed to put links to other forums
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Napisano: 21 Feb 2018 13:20
It's allowed to put links from another forums here.
Please put this link and shared them with us. Some of us speak excellent Russian, some like me good.
Dopuna: 21 Feb 2018 13:26
Вы можете размещать ссылки с российских форумов на
это наш форум.
Мы очень легко переведем с русского на сербский язык, потому что некоторые из нас хорошо знают русский язык.
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ray ban11 ::^
Da li je ta oznaka BM zapravo iz NAZ `Sokol ` i 514ARZ Rhzev ? Da li oznake MiG-31BM,DZM i BSM postoje u VKS Rusije tj u operativnim jedinicama ? Hvala za podatke i informacije .
Citat:MiG-31BM:
Commencement of work on serial modernization: 2006
Factory designation for modernization:
"Type 28" - modernization of the MiG-31B "изделие 12" (Ex-"из.01Б") in the MiG-31BM , the beginning since 2006)
"Type 58" - modernization of MiG-31BS "изделие 06" (ex-"из.01БC") in the MiG-31BM , since 2013
"Type 78" - modernization of the MiG-31 "изделие 01" in the MiG-31BM , since the end of 2015
Da li ovo avione osnovne verzije ( proizvodjeni do 1985g ) dovode na nivo BM tj ugradjuju im radare N007AM `Zaslon-AM` ?
The original Mig-31, product 01, was produced until 1987 more or less. 349 of 519 aircraft produced, almost 70%
There were still a lot of Pr.01 in service at Perm and other places, specially at Yelizovo that many planes are those deployed in 1985-86 in Dolinsk-Sokol and Yelizovo itself
However, as I said, some of BM 58/78 aircraft are not those that were in service in the regiments, but were taken of aircraft preserved in 4020 ARB of Lipetsk or other places since 10 , 15 or more years ago.
The product 78 is made from an airframe of MiG-31 pr.01 , but obviously a "standard B" radar is added.
This mean, you take a MiG-31 Product 01 in good condition, and canibalize a stored/damaged/decomisioned/fatiged MiG-31B/BS.Of course , probably that case is the least numerous of all BM's
You can upgrade a original MiG-31 to B standard if you have the pieces, and also add the skills of modernization.
However is not posible upgrade one MiG-31DZ to standard "B" , simply because the internal disposition of the refueling system (pump, elevator,probe, motor, pipes ...) does not allow the installation of the necessary components for "standard B" due to lack of space.
MiG-31DZ and MiG-31B are totally different aircraft in their internal distribution
For that MiG-31DZ is not capable to receive the "standard B" and cannot be modernized to that index
The two "prototypes" of updated/repaired DZ,so called in some webs "DZM" are not BM and cannot never be
The things that you can read in blogs and forums about that are assumptions without any value.
For the moment is not known what are this two airplanes Nº81 blue and Nº92 red saw in Sokol with "VKS Rusia" in the tail, , but 100% sure are not BM
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