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O tome da li sam ja Rusofil drugom prilikom. Ali definitivno ne mogu da se raspravljam sa tobom. Ljuti se koliko hoćeš ja na tvoje postove neću da odgovaram a ti radi šta hoćeš. Dragon stvarno osnovne stvari ne poznaješ. Ako ja sad treba da ti objašnjavam zašto USAF ne bi mogla da se umeša - nemam živce. Skvadroni samo u video igricama mogu da se sele sa mesta na mesto. Kapaciteti američkih baza na Bliskom istoku su trenutno jedan ving d 3 skvadrona i to je Amin. Da bi se to povećalo treba mnogo više vremena nego što je potrebno da iranski S-300 postali operativni. Znači da bi USAF upotrebila više od 3 skvadrona na Bliskom istoku ima da poretekne mnogo vode Tigrom i Eufratom i onda imamo to tvoje ŠBB KBB.
Stvarno uzmi malo da čitaš ozbiljne knjige i časopise a ne internet.
Definitivno smo ja i ti završili. Treba stalno da objašnjavam osnovne stvari.
Neka hvala. Dragon ne vladaš materijom i nemoj da se blamiraš više u tvom interesu je.



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OK opet ne dobijam odgovor nego uvrede ma ne ljutim se navikao sam od tebe. Ok da ne davimo temu...



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Israeli air force details F-35 transition plan

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israeli.....an-419773/

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Northrop Grumman Delivers Center Fuselage for First Japanese F-35 Aircraft

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Norvezani pazare jos 6 F-35A
Norway authorizes purchase of 6 more Lockheed F-35 fighter jets

Arrow http://www.reuters.com/article/lockkheed-fighter-n.....vSAHahq.97

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Javna je tajna da je F-35 najskuplji vojni projekat svih vremena, da se pokazao losijim nego li avioni 3-ce i 4-te generacije i da je po izjavi test pilota i drugih eksperta koji su radili na njemu tokom prosle dve decenije najveci promasaj u istoriji vazduhoplovstva!
Izgubio je u vazdusnoj borbi svaki duel protiv F-16, a takodje ne ispunjava ni priblizno ulogu u V/Z i podrsku kopnenoj vojsci cemu je takodje namenjen.
Previse je tezak, nije pokretljiv, ne ispunjava zahteve aviona V generacije jer ne poseduje super-cruse (nije u stanju da leti supersonicnom brzinom bez upotrebe forsaza), u vazduhu je trom, ima katastrofalan odnos potiska/mase a tezina mu se i dalje povecava. Osim toga imaju mnogo problema i sa stealth osobinama jer je specijalna boja osetljiva na meteroloske uslove identicno kao i kod $280.000.000 skupog F-22. U zdravlje MiG-29 i Su-27 novijim verzijama koje su svetlosnim godinama bolje od ove letece Curke.
Samo jedan od mnogih videa koji tvrde istovetno.

youtube.com/watch?v=cP0f1_f8nuc

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TheSource ::Javna je tajna da je F-35 najskuplji vojni projekat svih vremena, da se pokazao losijim nego li avioni 3-ce i 4-te generacije i da je po izjavi test pilota i drugih eksperta koji su radili na njemu tokom prosle dve decenije najveci promasaj u istoriji vazduhoplovstva!
Izgubio je u vazdusnoj borbi svaki duel protiv F-16, a takodje ne ispunjava ni priblizno ulogu u V/Z i podrsku kopnenoj vojsci cemu je takodje namenjen.
Previse je tezak, nije pokretljiv, ne ispunjava zahteve aviona V generacije jer ne poseduje super-cruse (nije u stanju da leti supersonicnom brzinom bez upotrebe forsaza), u vazduhu je trom, ima katastrofalan odnos potiska/mase a tezina mu se i dalje povecava. Osim toga imaju mnogo problema i sa stealth osobinama jer je specijalna boja osetljiva na meteroloske uslove identicno kao i kod $280.000.000 skupog F-22. U zdravlje MiG-29 i Su-27 novijim verzijama koje su svetlosnim godinama bolje od ove letece Curke.
Samo jedan od mnogih videa koji tvrde istovetno.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP0f1_f8nuc


Izvor ti je RT, isto kao da uzmeš prilog sa Fox-a o ruskoj tehnici.
Za F-35 je jasno da nije ono što je planirano, da ima problema...
Postoje stotine tekstova samih amerikanaca o problemima, od početka je jasno da je lova pobijedila struku.
Ali budi siguran da to nije glineni golub i da će za koju godinu kad bude potpuno operatibilian biti jako nezgodan protivnik i to u dosta velikom broju.
Najveći problemi su u software-u i kada to proradi mogućnosti koje F-35 daje u pogledu međusobne komunikacije sa ostalim oružanim sustavima i jedinicama biti će nešto potpuno novo i jako opasno po protivnike.
Povijest je pokazala da nije dovoljno imati najbolji avion (ili tenk) da bi se pobijedilo, veća količina lošijeg (ali solidnog) oružja često je dobijala rat.

Dopuna: 13 Dec 2015 17:16

ltcolonel ::O tome da li sam ja Rusofil drugom prilikom. Ali definitivno ne mogu da se raspravljam sa tobom. Ljuti se koliko hoćeš ja na tvoje postove neću da odgovaram a ti radi šta hoćeš. Dragon stvarno osnovne stvari ne poznaješ. Ako ja sad treba da ti objašnjavam zašto USAF ne bi mogla da se umeša - nemam živce. Skvadroni samo u video igricama mogu da se sele sa mesta na mesto. Kapaciteti američkih baza na Bliskom istoku su trenutno jedan ving d 3 skvadrona i to je Amin. Da bi se to povećalo treba mnogo više vremena nego što je potrebno da iranski S-300 postali operativni. Znači da bi USAF upotrebila više od 3 skvadrona na Bliskom istoku ima da poretekne mnogo vode Tigrom i Eufratom i onda imamo to tvoje ŠBB KBB.
Stvarno uzmi malo da čitaš ozbiljne knjige i časopise a ne internet.
Definitivno smo ja i ti završili. Treba stalno da objašnjavam osnovne stvari.
Neka hvala. Dragon ne vladaš materijom i nemoj da se blamiraš više u tvom interesu je.


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Po tvojoj logici Rusija bi imala avione u Siriji negdje 2017. ili 2018. jer nije lako postaviti avio bazu.

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Ja mislim da nema nista od skracenje rokova jer Pentagon nece nesredjen avion. Pre bih ocekivao da Pentagon ako smatra da imaju problem (sto javno naravno nece reci) investira vise novca preko crnih projekata u sestu generaciju. Tu su stvari dosta jednostavnije od F-35, ne zahteva se da bude multipraktik vec sto bolji lovac, na primer nesto ovako:
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Napisano: 13 Dec 2015 17:33

Stipice Rusi su imali bazu u Latakiji i za ovo su spremali od 2013. godine. Pripreme su trajale dve godine premda su imali već bazu. Dakle nisu došli na "ledinu". I opet im je trebalo više od dve godine. Odluka je doneta u leto 2013. godine. Trebalo je obezbediti bazu, saradnju Irana i prećutnu neutralnost Izraela i Egipta. Kao i što oslobođenje Krima nije naređeno kad se već zakuvalo u Ukrajini. Ceo plan je morao da bude razrađen u detalje mnogo, mnogo ranije. Kao i da sve bude pripremljeno za njegvo izvršenje. Tako je i za rusku intervenciju u Siriji odluka doneta u leto 2013. godine kada se krenulo i u njenu realizaciju. Ne smemo zaboraviti i da se najveći deo nevođenih ubojnih sredstava koristi iz sirijskih zaliha.

Dopuna: 13 Dec 2015 17:38

I još nešto. Od ruskih baza na Krimu i uopšte na Crnom moru do Latakije oko 3 dana plovidbe. A zamisli koliko je potrebno američkim brodovima od Floride do Persijskog zaliva. Ili od Kalifornije do Persijskog zaliva. Čitaj malo Mahana ako hoćeš da se raspravljaš. On je tvorac američke vojnopomorske strategije.

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Jos jedan od stotine clanaka od pravih eksperta a ne pisanog od strane vojnih lobista u Pentagonu koji tvrdi ono sto sam vec iznad naveo i objasnio.
Takodje niju ucestvovao na La Bourge-u 2015 niti na Farnborough Int iako su najavljivali fanfarama unapred.
On je totalni 101%-ni prmasaj, jasno i glasno.

"The millions of viewers who tuned into 60 Minutes Sunday may have gotten the impression that, despite being billions over budget and almost a decade behind schedule, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is ultimately necessary to maintain U.S. air superiority. That’s an unsurprising conclusion, given that all of the individuals interviewed in the story work either for the federal government or for Lockheed Martin, the primary contractor for the F-35. 60 Minutes’ producers broke a basic lesson of Journalism 101 when they failed to interview anyone who would tell the other side of the F-35 story.

Fortunately, a new video from Brave New Films does just that. The Jet that Ate the Pentagon, released along with a new website, explains how the F-35 became a $1.5 trillion burden on American taxpayers. Winslow Wheeler, the director of the Straus Military Reform Project at the Project On Government Oversight, is featured in the video. He answered a few of our questions about how and why the F-35 program got so out of control.

POGO: Why are you focused on informing the public about the F35?
Winslow Wheeler, Director, Straus Military Reform Project, Center for Defense Information at the Project On Government Oversight

Winslow Wheeler

Wheeler: It is essential that the public be aware of the many serious and fundamental problems in the F-35 program because the Pentagon, the White House and Congress have all failed to do their jobs.

In the 1990s the Pentagon’s aviation bureaucracy in the Clinton administration put together a plan for the Joint Strike Fighter that was bound to fail at great cost. The building’s senior leadership—Secretary of Defense Les Aspin, acquisition Czar William Perry and others--failed to recognize the fundamental problems in both the physical design of the F-35 and its buy-first, test-later acquisition plan. In fact, they willfully advocated those horrendous ideas. Then, both the White House and Congress did nothing but cheer the whole thing on. They were warned by some experts, and they ignored the warnings.

Because the people who claim to be our national security leadership failed so miserably in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations to recognize the problems, let alone take any appropriate action, it became necessary in the mid-2000s to raise the volume of the complaints and make the public aware.

In a functioning democratic system, public pressure on the politicians in the Pentagon, the White House and Congress should force them to find a solution. It remains to be seen, however, just how functional our system is: the public now is far more fully aware of the many and serious problems in the F-35, but there is no sign yet that any real action will be taken by the national security decision-makers. I fear that Congress is too fixated on the pork the F-35 brings to states and congressional districts; the White House is scared of the tough-minded politics needed to reverse course on the F-35, and most, but not all, Pentagon managers are too happy to keep on drinking—and passing out—the F-35 Kool Aid.

Nonetheless, making the public aware of the issues and its complaining to decision makers in Washington is our only viable way to bring this disaster to an end.

POGO: What are some of the F35s most shocking failures?

Wheeler: The most stunning failure in the F-35 is the level of complexity and contradiction in the basic design. Starting out as a plan to make a short take off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft supersonic (two inherently contradictory design characteristics), it only went further downhill after that. They then made it a multi-role aircraft, piling on the additional contradictory characteristics of an air to air fighter and an air to ground bomber; then they made it “stealth” making even fatter the aerodynamic design and making it all more complex by an order of magnitude. And finally, they made it multi-service adding further contradictory complexities demanded separately by the Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. All this insanity made high cost inherent to the design, just as it also made low performance (performing many roles, all of them poorly) intrinsic.

Thus, the most shocking thing is that some think the solution is to cancel the Marine Corps and or the Navy’s version of this aircraft, but not the Air Force’s: ignoring all the basic characteristics of all three versions, these faux critics opt for a politically convenient non-solution which will mean that our Air Force and any remaining foreign purchasers will be strapped with an incompetent design of an astoundingly expensive aircraft.

That to me is the most shocking thing of all: after all the lessons, some of those pretending to be critics, simply don’t, or refuse to, get it.

POGO: Do you think the story of the F35 is a paradigm of larger issues in the American government?

Wheeler: Absolutely yes! The obsessive complexity of the physical design and the buy-it-then-fly-it acquisition plan are absolutely typical of American weapons acquisition. Those characteristics don’t occur by accident. Technologists who consider combat lessons an afterthought control the beginning design, and advocates in industry, Congress and the Pentagon seek to commit the entire government to the program by spending $billions and $billions before any empirical data becomes available from testing to show what the actual cost and performance are. They call it “concurrency,” but it is really bait and switch political engineering. Chuck Spinney has written about this many times, especially in “Defense Power Games.”

POGO: How has Lockheed Martin been able to continue with the program, despite the cost overruns and delays?

Wheeler: Lockheed-Martin cannot design effectively performing, affordable combat aircraft, but they are without peer in designing a greasy plan to foist the aircraft on the US and multiple foreign buyers. I am in awe of their skill in doing that; they successfully convince otherwise rational people to ignore empirical data, to believe that press releases spout biblical truth and to embrace new promises in the face of scores of broken ones. Those are awesome powers.

POGO: What do you hope the video will add to the F35 conversation?

Wheeler: The video covers a lot of territory in just a few minutes, but people who want to check the data behind the many statements in the video will find there are piles of evidence to back them up. I hope people do exactly that: check on the facts. Then, armed with the data, they may want to make noise—however they so choose—to give the politicians in Congress, the White House and the Pentagon a choice: Do the right thing on the F-35 or be replaced."

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