F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

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Trump Tells Boeing To Price A Comparable F/A-18 To The F-35—There Isn’t One
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The Official F-35 Price Tags Are Bogus: Pentagon statements do not reflect real costs or original estimates
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Citat:More basically, Bogdan says the F-35’s price has been coming down, and indeed it has. The $188 million generic price in 2015 was less than the $250 million the Pentagon quoted in 2001.

For the 2017 fiscal year, Congressional appropriations showed us that the total costs came down again to $128 million for a generic F-35. That’s $113 million for an F-35A, $142 million for an F-35B and $241 million for a F-35C.
Citat:On average, these F-35s cost $188 million apiece, not $122 million.
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F-15SE bi do sada već bio spreman 100% jer bi to bila samo nadgradnja već postojećeg aviona. F-15 je već sada uveliko bolji od F-35 u strike misijama.

Ne sme se gledati sukob avion protiv aviona već kompletan sistem a tu je trenutno F-35 sa AWACS-om slabiji od ozbiljnog PVO sistema sa lovačkom avijacijom.

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Zanimljivo svedocenje penzionisanog danskog pilota pre australijskim parlamentom 2014, on sad radi ili je posle tog svedocenja se zaposlio u EuroFighter koncernu tako da treba uzeti sa rezervom ali posto Lokid to nije dematovao mislim da je istinito:

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Lt. Col. Anker Steen Sørensen, Danish Air Force (retired)

I'm a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the Royal Danish Air force. I have flown the F-16 for 16 years. Been Squadron Commander, Base Commander Operations, Base Commander and Inspector General Flight Safety Armed Forces Denmark.

In my career I also worked at Air Force Tactical Command and was responsible for the operational requirements for new fighter aircraft.

In this connection I repeatedly took part in simulated flights with Joint Strike Fighter at Wright Patterson AFB in the United States and also in England. To make the simulations as realistic as possible, we participated with operational pilots.

On one of these simulations, I had a Danish test pilot with me. In addition, there were participants from a number of other countries. We also simulated Joint Strike Fighter against Russian fighter aircraft where we flew two against two.

In the forenoon I and the Danish test pilot was flying Joint Strike Fighters against two Russian fighters. In the afternoon we swapped, so we flew Russian fighter aircraft against the Joint Strike Fighter.

In the afternoon the first thing the test pilot and I noticed was that the Russian fighters was not loaded with the best air-to-air missiles as the Russians have in real life.

We therefore asked about getting some better. It was denied us. We two pilots complained but it was not changed.

My test pilot and I decided in our simulated Russian combat aircraft to fly “line abreast”, but with 25 nautical miles distance. Then at least one of us could with radar look into the side of the Joint Strike Fighter and thus view it at long distance. The one who “saw” the Joint Strike Fighter could then link the radar image to the other. Then missiles could be fired at long distance at the Joint Strike Fighter.

It was also denied us, although we protested this incomprehensible disposition.

It was now quite clear to us that with the directives and emotional limitations simulations would in no way give a true and fair view of anything. On the other hand, it would show that the Joint Strike Fighter was a good air defense fighter, which in no way can be inferred from the simulations.

We spoke loudly and clearly that this way was manipulating with the Joint Strike Fighter air defence capability.

Because of these circumstances, I would not let the Danish Air Force be included as part of the totally misleading / non-transparent results, which alone would show Joint Strike Fighters superiority in the air defence role, which it would not have been against an opponent with missiles with a far better performance than those who we were given permission to. Also there was given major obstacles in the way flying tactically against the Joint Strike Fighter.

We therefore left simulations, returned to Denmark and complained to the Chief of Staff Tactical Air Command and technical manager Air Material Command.

Due to these conditions and having insight into what else was going on, attempts were made from the Danish side to get an operational pilot to the Joint Program Office but due to some special circumstances it at that time failed.

With my speech, I would like to draw attention to the fact that at least some of the air to air simulations that have been carried out, in no way give a true and fair view of the Joint Strike Fighter in the air defence role.

I consider it to be a disaster if simulations as mentioned above are accepted and thus forms part of a possible decision to choose the Joint Strike Fighter.

Koliko sam video ovo je pre nego sto je F-35 izabran, Dancima su Ameri predstavili mogucnosti JSF a kad su ovi hteli da ne igraju po pravilima (u simulaciji) to nije bilo dozvoljeno.

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Wisdomseeker ::F-15SE bi do sada već bio spreman 100% jer bi to bila samo nadgradnja već postojećeg aviona. F-15 je već sada uveliko bolji od F-35 u strike misijama.

Ne sme se gledati sukob avion protiv aviona već kompletan sistem a tu je trenutno F-35 sa AWACS-om slabiji od ozbiljnog PVO sistema sa lovačkom avijacijom.

F35 koliko god bio trom sa Aim120D + Awacs je u prednosti nad svakim avionom 4 generacije , sto se stealtha tice Amerikanci tvrde da je na nivou B2 time da F35 ima jasnu sliku o protivniku i uvjek ce biti u prednosti jer ce znati protiv cega i kako planirati napad 2 rakete su mali broj ali on vjerovatno moze biti naurozavan samo air to air raketama.

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djox ::Trump Tells Boeing To Price A Comparable F/A-18 To The F-35—There Isn’t One
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Само погледајте коментаре на овај твит, а и остале.

Citat:Based on the tremendous cost and cost overruns of the Lockheed Martin F-35, I have asked Boeing to price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet!
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Japanci sledece godine kupuju jos 6 F-35A
Citat:For the fifth straight year, Japan’s cabinet approved a fatter defense budget and it is a record $44 billion.
Beginning in April, the new budget allocates $749 million for six F-35As. These jets will eventually be deployed at Misawa Air Base.
Money has also been allocated for the procurement of the SM-3 Block II A interceptors.
Tokyo will also strengthen its missile defense shield by improving its PAC-3 air defense missile system.
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Sve to stoji ali je JSF daleko kompleksniji projekat prakticno to su tri aviona razvijana uporedo. Druga je stvar sto je Lokid obecavao med i mleko a Pentagon to sve aminovao zahvaljujuci lobiju.

Po meni F-35 je i ostace truba sto se tice kinematike ali to ne znaci da ne valja ako srede ostalo ako pak ne srede onda ce F-35 imati gadan problem jer u narednoj deceniji krece rad na novom lovcu koji ce biti znatno bolja letelica, pa vrlo verovatno ce da otkazu barem F-35A a vrlo moguce i F-35C ako i dalje budu softver bude zajebavao.

a sta ako taj novi avion bude imao istu eskluzivu kao raptor?
da ce ga koristiti samo ameri i niko vise?
osim toga ,znajuci amere, nece ga napraviti za dan dva nego ce trebati barem 10 godina dok se taj avion, ponovo sa najnovijim tehnologijama uvrsti u naoruzanje.

rusi i kinezi prave svoje avione. a modernizovani americki avioni 4 generacije (f15.f18.f16) su samo to, modernizovani avioni. nisu oni losi, ali ce ti novi strani avioni ipak biti 5 gen, i sa raznoraznim prednostima.

kako god bilo, ako ameri hoce da zadrze tehnolosku prednost, bez f35 se ne moze barem sledece 2 decenije. tu si i saveznici koji ga kupuju, samo zbog njih ce ameri morati da rade na tom avionu i da ga unapredjuju u odnosu na ovo sto je sad.

avion nije gotov, i ako se sad stane, imace samo jedan poluzavrsen projekat koji nizasta nije. ako to tramp uradi, samo ce dokazati da nije sav svoj. svaki projekat, ma kakav bio zavrsen, je bolji od onoga na sto se spucalo gomile para i stoji nezavrsen. +ako stopira projekat, pravi budale od svih onih americkih saveznika koji su vec kupili avion i nameravaju da ga koriste. politicka steta ce za amere biti nemerljiva.

sto se trampa tice, on je kod mene sa svojim izjavama vec odavno iskoristio sve kredite, narocito sa onim da je njegov privatni avion VECI i bolji od specijalnog predsednickog.

covak je soumen i maher za pravljenje love ali sa avijaciom nema blage veze.
uostalom, znajuci kako je tvrdoglav i osvetoljubiv, ne bi me cudilo da su svi ovi napadi na
lokid posledica nekog davnog dogadjaja kada su ga lokidovci ispalili zbog nekog posla ili neceg slicnog.

sto se f35 tice, leti vec deset godina, napravljeno je 100+ aviona, lete snjim svaki dan, nabijaju sate naleta i TO BEZ I JEDNOG veceg GUBITKA dosad.
pa samo je za vreme razvoja i na pocetku koriscenja f16 poginulo preko 30 pilota u raznim nesrecama.

avion je po ovome BEZ premca na svetu. samo sad ima interneta pa znamo svaku sitnicu koja ne valja pa mozemo da ga pljujemo svaki dan.
mnogo je to licemerno, da je za vreme f16 (vec pomenuo) ili za vreme su27 (nakon nekoliko prototipova se pocelo ponovo sa razvojem, pa nevalja ovo, pa nevalja ono, pa modifikuj nesto sasvim trece, pa ginuli opitni piloti itd) bilo ovako, da li bi svi oni sto pljuju ovaj avion isto tako radili?