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Dassault Rafale

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A sta bi sa prodajom Rafala Libiji?



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Cuo sam da ce prodati 14 rafala i 35 helikoptera za 4,5 milijarde nekoj arapskoj zemlji.Nisam siguran,mislim UAE.



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"Samo" da nije tako skup, bio bi fenomenalan avion.

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vlvl ::Zbog cega je Rafal toljko skup avion.Razumem da tu ima dosta skupocenih komponenata i drugih stvari,ali opet je nenormalno skup. Tesko da ce ovako uspeti nekom da ga prodaju iako je opasan avion koga bi svako vazduhoplovstvo zelelo da ga ima.Oni moraju da nadju neki drugi pristup jer tesko ce nalaziti musterije.

Zato sto u cenu ulazi i deo troskova razvoja. 27milijardi evra je potroseno da se napravi Rafal.

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Tvrdis da je potroseno 27 milijardi evra.Da li mislis do pocetka serijske poroizvodnje ili sve ukupno sa ovih 200 ili nesto manje proizvedenih.U svakom smislu ogromna suma novca.Znas li mozda koliki su troskovi za Eurofighter konzorcijum.Hvala na odgovoru iako sam cekao nedelju dana.

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27 milijardi $ je cena razvoja aviona.

Proizvedeno je 68 aviona do Juna 2009. U tom slucaju ceo program Rafal je kostao 40milijardi$.

Ne znam za Eurofighter ali tu su se troskovi delili na par drzava. Npr. Britansko ministarsvo odbrane nece da iznese finalne podatke da ne bi ugrozilo mogucu prodaju Eurofightera. Samo je Britanija morala da da 20 milijardi funti (predpostavljam da u to ulaze i avioni).Doduse ovo je bajat podatak a ko sto rekoh nov podatak je tajna.

Dopuna: 23 Jun 2010 16:52

Uglavnom ako bi se sabrala oba projekta, tehnologije i industrije troskovi i kapaciteti su verovatno veci nego sto su Ameri imali za F-22. Vrlo interesantan podatak.

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Verovatno UAE. Libija kupuje Ruske avione.

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Da li se dobro secam ali mislim da je Rafal usao u upotrebu pre EF-a,tj mislim da su prvu seriju Rafala zavrsili pre ostatka Evrope?

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Nisam siguran da je svega 68 aviona proizvedeno,pa to je malo za jednu dekadu.Opet kazem da ne vidim neku izvoznu sansu za ovaj avion.Toliki broj aviona za 13 milijardi dolara,a za njih proizvedeni.Sta tek onda da ocekuju potencijalni kupci.

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I dalje neizvesno u Brazilu mada su mnogi ubedjeni da ce novi avioni biti Rafali.Naime, odluka, iako ne jos dovoljno cvrsta, je bazirana na tecnickim karakteristikama ovog aviona.
U sledecem tekstu se nalazi dosta zanimljivih i korisnih informacija.

Arrow http://www.administradores.com.br/informe-se/artig.....nte/45865/
(na engleskom)

Citat:Defense selects the Rafale and the final decision will be for the president


Administratores.com.br, June 23

After much speculation, the Ministry of Defence decided to pick the Rafale fighter, made in France, to join the Brazilian Air Defense.

The decision was based only on technical issues.

President Luiz Inacio Lula Da Silva should convene the National Defense Council to discuss the matter. An explanatory memorandum of about 40 pages will be signed by Defence Minister Nelson Jobim, and the commanders of the Air Force, Brigadier Juniti Saito, and Navy, Admiral Moura Neto, confirms the choice. The document is divided between the positives and negatives of each of the three finalists aircraft - the Rafale (Dassault), the Gripen NG (Saab) and the F-18 (Boeing).

Each paragraph refers to documents prepared by the Air Force and the Navy. The Navy was consulted aiming at the aircraft carriers of 50 tons [50000?] to be built in the future.

It was also ensured the participation of Embraer in all stages of the project. In addition, the company is negotiating with France the development and sale of KC-390 military cargo.

In December last year, the Air Force delivered a report that put the F-18 as the winner rather than the Gripen, as speculated. Nelson Jobim ordered FAB to remake the document to adjust it to the National Defense Strategy (END). The FAB were using the same criteria as for FX1, which was canceled at the beginning of Lula's first term in 2003. At that time, the cost of maintenance, the unit price of the plane and the commercial offset package were the items which had higher scores. This time, technology transfer worth 40%. At the end of Fernando Henrique, it was 9%.

The Gripen NG has a better assessment on the transfer of technology, but lost many points on other items and was considered a high risk project. In practice, the Swede plane had only good evaluation at the beginning of the evaluation process.

The Rafale, on its side, was only bad on price. The Gripen flight hours is estimated between $ 7 and $ 8000. Saab has promised that he would be at $ 3000.
If the decision is confirmed, Saab is in trouble because the Gripen NG is the only enterprise project along with the modernization of the C and D versions of the same plane. Even Sweden has not purchased the plane and will only do it if there is a deal with Brazil. Over 100 units of the Rafale are already delivered and another 180 are ordered . The aircraft is well evaluated in the UAE and Switzerland. The Boeing F-18 Super Hornet is riding high in India.
Analysis (Marcelo Rech)

The fact that the Ministry of Defence has chosen the Rafale does not mean that the process is completed or will be confirmed by President Lula. There is an election in the near future and would not be a surprise if the decision will stay for the next administration.

The choice was technical.

The government believes the strategic alliance with France can compensate the fact that the Rafale is the most expensive among the three finalists. Embraer also gained a great deal. Gripen elected , it would just participate in the project. With the Rafale, it [Embraer] will be leading the process. The company also involves the development and commercialization of the KC-390 freighter in the business.

The United States could not, by law, closing a deal to buy the Super Tucano in return for selling the F-18, as speculated recently.

Jobim called for changes because he doesn't accept a off-the-shell purchase, as I said several times in public hearings held in Congress. He wants the industrialization of Defense and the field of technology in Brazil. And he believes it will be possible with the election of Rafale.

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