MIG-21 "Fishbed"

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Crvena Petokraka ::DrBuzz ::@Crvena Petokraka

Donacijom iz Njemacke, eto odakle
Ja molim da se procita naslov teme gde nigde ne pise : perspektive , nade i snovi ...
Otvori temu koja bi tome odgovarala , HRZ ima ono sto ima i drzmo se okvira teme !
HRZ ima 6+4 MiG 21 od borbene avijacije i nesto trenaznih klipnih aviona i air traktora .
Ako moze da se da neka informacija o stanju aviona koji su realno na hrvatskim aerodromima obogatilo bi ovu temu !



Samo prenosimo ono sto se trenutno dogadja a to je da je hrvatsko izlaslanstvo bilo u postjetu njemackoj bazi Richthofen i da je upoznato sa stanjem i operacijama F-4 u Luftwaffeu, te da ce se osnovati zajednicka njemacko-hrvatska komisija/radna skupina sa ciljem proucavanja mogucnosti koristenja istog u HRZ-u.
S obzirom da vec godinama pratim sapunicu kupovine novog aviona i zamjene MiG-ova mogu sa pouzdanjem reci da je ovo dosada daleko najozbiljniji i najkonkretniji potez, a sto ce biti, vidjet cemo.

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Citat:HRZ ima 6+4 MiG 21 od borbene avijacije

Kojima su istekli resursi, a "nove" avione najavljuju za pocetak 2013 ako sam dobro shvatio.Videcemo sta ce biti od svega ovoga ?

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Citat:Mi imamo sasvim drugaciji sistem.
nisam ni mislio da imamo isti,sistem na lacer-ima je ugradjen u trup letelice i proizvod je izraelske firme Elbit Systems...

egipatski u raznolikom drustvu





jedna od dve zrtve(druga zrtva je helikopter mi-17) pakistanski stingera za vreme konflikta kargil.iako se pilot bezbedno katapultirao,na zemlji su ga ustrelili pakistanski vojnici.


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- Sistem IC mamaca i radarskih dipola, naši preostal MIG-21 ne poseduju i iste su otuđene = prodate. Toliko o "brižnom odnosu" ka rođenoj RV .

- Vezano za MIG-21, i dalje modifikacije kao jedine dve platforme na bazi istog zmaja smatram indijjski MIG.21-Bison i Kineski - potom pakistanski ... i F-7PG-2/3 . (Na F-7PG2/3 se išlo i ka daljoj evolluciji aerodinimake krila sa produženim strejkovima ). Prednost u dubini modernizacije je svakako na strani Mig-21 Bison i primene kako zapadne tako i istočne avionike, elektronike i naoružanja.
- Mada je u startu duboka modernizacija rumunskih MIG-21-LANCER od strane ELBITA-izrael urađena odlično, nebrigom i neodgovornošću Rumunija se nemože pohvaliti većim brpjem tehnički-operativnih -letnih Lancera isto kao što su nebrigom MIG-29 Sniper "bacili" u zaborav .
- Da se Vratim MIG-21 BISON i F-7PG , lično trenutno dve najmodernije platforme na zmaju dokazanog MIG-21 .
- Šta je između ostalog urađenoo na MIG-21 BISON ... da bi prakktično skočio maltene dve neneracije tehneloški ispred primenom kako zapadnre tako i istočne avionike i naouraćanja od čega treba naglasiti R-73E., R-77, Podvesni Vinten -pod kao i Litening ... raketu Pyton ... itd :

- - One of the latest entrants is the MiG-21 Bison (formerly known as the MiG-21-93/UPG), the ultimate upgrade to the ageing MiG-21bis in order to bring it up to modern standards. The upgrade mainly revolves around the Phazotron Kopyo-M radar and integrated BVR attack capability with R-77 BVRAAMs. Other features include a SURA HMS, a semi-glass cockpit and a Sextant Totem-3000 Ring laser gyro nav. system with GPS, to mention a few. Note the conformal countermeasure dispensers, the new Tarang RWR's antennae on the tailfin and the single piece windshield.
- The baseline variant is planned to mount new armament, including RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder, a.k.a. "AMRAAMski"), R-27T1 (AA-10 Alamo A), R-27R1 (AA-10 Alamo B) and R-73E (AA-11 Archer) air-to-air missiles and KAB-500Kr guided bombs, while retaining the organic weapons suite of the MiG-21bis.

- Also, the upgrade is to get new avionics comprising:

- The weapons control system built around the KOPYO radar,
- The helmet-mounted target designation system,
- The multifunction display and the HUD,
- New navigation, communications, ECM and video recording systems, the KARAT integrated monitoring and flight data recording system.
- Other weapons that can be integrated into a MiG-21 that is upgraded into MiG-21-93 standard include the Kh-31 (AS-17 Krypton) anti-ship missile and Kh-25MP (AS-10 Karen) anti-radar missiles.

- R-73-E on indian MIG.21 BISON:



- R-77 on indian MIG-21 BISON:



- Drugi derivat-modernizovani (vesternizovani) MIG-21 u vidu F-7PG , sa boljom aerodinamikom krila, vesternizovanim kokpitom i naoružanjem , koga uz Bison smatram jedinim modernim naslednicima MIG-21 :



- Šta sve- koja to primenjena avionika i tehnološka nadoggradnja čini i danas ovaj avion , da upotrebim termin savremnenim ako ne modernim :

- F-7PG was photographed with a load of fuel tanks and an AIM-9L AAM. Based on the F-7MG electronic technology demonstrator, it features various upgrades to meet PAF's requirements, including a one-piece windshield, Italian GRIFO-7PG PD radar (search 55km, track 37km, single target track), new color CRT displays (EFIS), HUD, HOTAS control, new air data computer, TACAN, PL-9C IR-guided AAM, WP-13F(B) turbojet (13,200lb w/ afterburning) plus two 30mm cannons (compared to one on J-7E/G). Its maximum climb rate is 38,300ft/min (195m/s), combat radius is 850km (hi-hi-hi air-superiority role) and maximum load is 1,800kg. The NEW DUUBLE- DELTA WING suggests the same design on J-7E has proven successful. Primarly its basic design of Mig-21F has been more than 40 years old but wit new aerodinamic koncept and western electronic. Besides Pakistani AF, Namibian AF ordered 12 F-7NMs in August 2005. All were delivered in 2006. These are equipped with Italian Grifo-7MG radar. Bangladesh AF also ordered 12 F-7BGs in 2005. All were delivered 2006. In addition, Nigerian AF ordered 12 F-7NIs in a $251m deal and the first batch was expected to have been delivered in spring 2009. Sri Lanka AF also received around 6 F-7GS in late 2007/early 2008. The latest images (March 2011) indicated that Tanzania acquired an unknown number of F-7TGs.
- DOKAZ DA I KONCEPT 40.godina star , SOLIDNOM MODERNIZICAJOM - i više od toga, nalazi REALNU BORBENU PRIMENU i U 21. veku !

- Vezano za naše MIG-21-ice koje su protokom decenija, potpunog zanemarivanja i blago rečeno NEODGOVOTRNIM pristupom države i dan danas dežurne pare MIG-21 sa R-60 podvešenim raketama i samo zahvaljujući stručnjacima MOME u letnom-operativnom stanju - (da ne ulazim u bolnu tačku gde nam jedan jednosedi MIG-29 i dvosedi NL-18 učestvuju kako se naziva "združenim taktičkim" vežbama ... ) , ... i jednim, jedinim dvosedom MIG-21 - NL-17 , nažalost makar što se našeg RV-a tiće posmatrati i diskutovati kao avionu koji je ostao još uvek živa legenda biroa MIG i ništa više od toga.

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VITEZFOREVER

Аууу...колега..па лоше нам вести..доносиш. Дакле наше 21-це у 21 веку немају диспанзере за ИЦ мамце и радарске диполе..?? А наша памет и производња је у питању..??
Страшно..??? "Експерти"..где ли ће вам душа ??

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VITEZFOREVER ::- Sistem IC mamaca i radarskih dipola, naši preostal MIG-21 ne poseduju i iste su otuđene = prodate. Toliko o "brižnom odnosu" ka rođenoj RV .

- Vezano za MIG-21, i dalje modifikacije kao jedine dve platforme na bazi istog zmaja smatram indijjski MIG.21-Bison i Kineski - potom pakistanski ... i F-7PG-2/3 . (Na F-7PG2/3 se išlo i ka daljoj evolluciji aerodinimake krila sa produženim strejkovima ). Prednost u dubini modernizacije je svakako na strani Mig-21 Bison i primene kako zapadne tako i istočne avionike, elektronike i naoružanja.

- F-7PG was photographed with a load of fuel tanks and an AIM-9L AAM. Based on the F-7MG electronic technology demonstrator, it features various upgrades to meet PAF's requirements, including a one-piece windshield, Italian GRIFO-7PG PD radar (search 55km, track 37km, single target track), new color CRT displays (EFIS), HUD, HOTAS control, new air data computer, TACAN, PL-9C IR-guided AAM, WP-13F(B) turbojet (13,200lb w/ afterburning) plus two 30mm cannons (compared to one on J-7E/G). Its maximum climb rate is 38,300ft/min (195m/s), combat radius is 850km (hi-hi-hi air-superiority role) and maximum load is 1,800kg. The NEW DUUBLE- DELTA WING suggests the same design on J-7E has proven successful. Primarly its basic design of Mig-21F has been more than 40 years old but wit new aerodinamic koncept and western electronic. Besides Pakistani AF, Namibian AF ordered 12 F-7NMs in August 2005. All were delivered in 2006. These are equipped with Italian Grifo-7MG radar. Bangladesh AF also ordered 12 F-7BGs in 2005. All were delivered 2006. In addition, Nigerian AF ordered 12 F-7NIs in a $251m deal and the first batch was expected to have been delivered in spring 2009. Sri Lanka AF also received around 6 F-7GS in late 2007/early 2008. The latest images (March 2011) indicated that Tanzania acquired an unknown number of F-7TGs.


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Dopuna: 30 Jun 2011 22:16

by nabil
F-7p, MP models in PAF both designated as P, were upgraded F-7M airguard model developed by China which included MB mk-10 seat installation, GEC Macroni air data computer, new Heads Up Display (absent in previous models, later replaced by indigenous HUDWAC), TACAN, INS, four underwing pylons instead of two in previous models and 42 additional modifications requested by PAF. F-7 PG has additional 18 modifications in avionics, pilot comfort, navigation, ECM is highly effective in shape of GT-1 CFD, KG-8602 RWR, internal jammer supplemented by KG-300G ecm pod, Grifo-7MG pulse doppler radar with look down shoot down upto 40 kms and so on.

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VITEZFOREVER ::- Sistem IC mamaca i radarskih dipola, naši preostal MIG-21 ne poseduju i iste su otuđene = prodate. Toliko o "brižnom odnosu" ka rođenoj RV .
Ne znam gde si to čuo,ali pogrešno si obavešten.

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kabine IAF 21 -ca

MiG-21FL [C1171]. Note rearview mirror and radar display. Entire canopy hinged in the front.

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MiG-21Bis. Ergonomics are somewhat better than the FL. Note sideways opening canopy and less bulky radar display.

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MiG-21 Bison - the latest generation. Note single MFD, HUD and RWR display

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Another view of the Bison cockpit

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Nek neko kaze Pakistancu da pise o J-7 u temi o kineskim avionima.

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ANTIBODY,thank you for information about F-7PGs,but this topic does not cover the Chinese derivatives of MiG-21.

you can here post everything about Chinese indigenous jets,including F-7....
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