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Pise Obramba da smo prodali pakistankoj policiji 20 Lazar 2, ima li neko vise informacija?



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Misirac ::Pise Obramba da smo prodali pakistankoj policiji 20 Lazar 2, ima li neko vise informacija?
Ovde je Loes doneo informaciju da smo prodali 3 Lazara (i valjda 13 BOV-ova) sa opcijom da se proda jos jedan Lazar; a on tvrdi da je informaciju dobio iz YI.



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Citat:KARACHI:

The morale of the police force has understandably hit an all-time low given the number of men it has lost to recent attacks. What is making matters worse is that they still have to go out in the field unprotected and unmotivated. The government has been making empty promises of providing them with armoured personnel carriers (APCs) for the last two years.

The most recent claims were made by Federal Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar and Sindh Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah on Thursday last week, when they again reiterated for “emergency procurement of bullet-proof vehicles in weeks’ time.” The officials, however, don’t expect the APCs to reach them anytime soon.

The same was said by the CM on December 15 last year, when he announced to provide APCs to the department but said there were no funds available. For their part, the Sindh government claims it is depending on the federal government to disburse the funds. “The personnel are trying to do their best, but it is quite difficult to perform our job without the appropriate equipment,” the adviser to home ministry, Sharfuddin Memon told The Express Tribune. “Despite having suffered several losses, the morale is still high. It will not, however, stay high if the federal government continues to use delay tactics.”

In desperate need

The APCs that the police department currently have are so badly damaged that bullets can easily pierce through them. In mid-November, 2013, several bullets penetrated through the body of an APC, killing a police official, Muhammad Essa and injuring another, Asad. The attack occurred on Mirza Adam Khan Road and was reportedly carried out by members of the Baba Ladla group. “Our initial reaction was that one of us inside the APC might have opened fire by mistake,” recalls Asad, who sustained a bullet-wound in his upper torso. Investigations later confirmed that the gangsters’ bullets had penetrated the APC.

Earlier in the eight-day long operation in Lyari in May 2012, almost 18 APCs were destroyed by rockets, hand grenades and anti-aircraft guns used by the criminals. The damage was not just limited to the destruction of the APCs however – Civil Lines SHO Fawad Ahmed Khan also lost his life in the attacks.

The failed operation and loss of SHO Khan had compelled the Sindh Police to replace the B-6 level APCs manufactured by Heavy Industries Taxila. Currently, the Sindh Police has around 90 APCs, manufactured by the HIT. The wheeled variety of locally manufactured APCs (B-6) costs about Rs17.5 million each, while the B-7, an upgraded version, costs about Rs55 million. The department had shown interest in buying APCs from foreign countries.

To achieve the plan, the police logistics experts approached at least five countries – Turkey, Ukraine, Russia, Serbia and United States of America.

It was subsequently decided to procure at least 20 Serbian Lazar II armoured fighting vehicles. The vehicles were meant to reach the city by December 2012, but could not be purchased due to the lack of interest by the relevant authorities. The lethargic attitude of the authorities in giving practical shape to the project has caused losses of around Rs150 million because of the increase in dollar rates, The Express Tribune has learnt.

“Serbia was the only country that gave us a live demonstration by firing and bombing the vehicle while we were inside,” said the former Sindh police’s DIG Finance Dost Ali Baloch who was a part of the team of experts who visited Serbia. “Besides this, Serbia also offered to deliver the APCs in two phases by the end of December 2013 with the lowest cost worth around Rs1 billion for 20 APCs.”

Meanwhile, police officials said that the Transparency International-Pakistan’s (TIP) reservations regarding the purchase of Lazar II from Serbia caused a delay in buying the vehicles. In September 2013, TIP had sent a reminder to Sindh IGP Shahid Nadeem Baloch and asked him to examine the rules before buying the vehicles.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 17th, 2014.


http://tribune.com.pk/story/672607/without-armour-.....achi-city/

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1 milijarda rupija = 7 miliona EUR.
Lazar II po ceni 350.000 EUR (?)

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Loes ::No kada se vec o tome pise malo detalja kako je sve krenulo evo dodatnih detalja za sve radoznale ko sto sam i ja Zagrljaj :

Prvo finalno je poruceno i ugovoreno 3 komada Lazar BTR-SR-8808 8x8 i 13 BOV M11(kod nas poznat i za koriscenje kao policijsko vozilo dodouse pod drugim imenom ali isti koncept) za cenu od 9.548.808 eura, a na osnovu informacije da se vozila B-7 nivo zastite ne proizvode u Pakistanu te zbog hitnosti nabevke odabrana direktna kupovina.

Prethodno je pregovarano za 4 Lazara i 16 BOV M-11, te je kao opcija ostvaljno jos 1 Lazar i jos M BOV M11.

Lazar BTR-SR-8808 je ugovoren po ceni od oko 958 hiljada eura sa run flat pneumaticima i dodatkom tj. usisivacem za barut i caure, 12.7 RCWS, volan na desnij strani, termo vizija, balistika Stanag IV, Mine Level IIIb, protivpozarna zastita.

BOV M11 se prodaje po ceni od oko 336 hiljada eura sa dodatnom balistickom zastitom(Stanag III + svuda ukrug), protivminskom zastitom(IIb) i run flat gumama sa naoruzanjem RCWS 12.7.

Cifre koje vam pisem su iz zvanicnih dokumenata a ne novinskih pisanja za koje smo na primer kolega Proka89, Cheef i ja kada je u pitanju modernizacija i pordja T-72 etijopiji diskutovana juce dosli do zakljucka da bas i nisu uvek pozdane.

Sve ovo cisto da biste znali da se ukupna cifra spomenuta ranije ne odnosi samo na Lazara multinameskog vozila otpornog na mine i zasede sa nezavisnim vesanjem... Tj nije prodato 20 lazara vec mix, lep mix zelimo ih jos....

Da se malo podsetimo 247. stranice.

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What is Lazar II?

Lazar II is a multi-role armoured vehicle manufactured by the Serbian state-run company, Yugoimport SDPR. The company has supplied vehicles to Kenya and Bangladesh.
The Lazar II is based on the modifications of the concept of the original Lazar vehicle. These modifications were made to improve the basic characteristics of the vehicle.
The concept of the first Lazar vehicle represented a combination of the characteristics of mine resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) and MRAV (multirole armoured vehicle) vehicles. The vehicle is a derivative of the MRAV concept, with an independent suspension that allows the platform to be customized for different roles. The concept provides for installation of different types of weapons of varying calibres on the turret depending on the purpose of the vehicle and the mission.
The vehicle is equipped with a rear ramp for easier entrance and exit, and has two doors embedded within that ramp for emergency situations. It also features a separate door for the driver and commander. It features five bullet-proof windows and firing ports on each side of the vehicle, as well as two on the rear of the vehicle. This allows the troops inside the vehicle to have a high awareness and to engage targets from inside the safety of the vehicle. The driver has five cameras, which provide him with a near 360 degree field of visibility. Two are located in front of the driver’s hatch, two are covering the sides of the vehicle while one is installed in the rear of the vehicle to aid reverse driving. It has the capacity of seating three crew members and nine troops.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 17th, 2014.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/672610/what-is-lazar-ii/

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aerodrom ::1 milijarda rupija = 7 miliona EUR.
Lazar II po ceni 350.000 EUR (?)


Nisu dovoljno precizni jer se ne odnosi sve na Lazar 2, nego na kombinaciju Lazara 2 i BOV M11. Pisao je o tome na forumu ovde Loes, navodno je imao uvid u ceo dogovor sa Pakistanom. Evo da prekopiram sa PD foruma, jer sam i njima preneo tu vest, a sada me mrzi da trazim Loesovo pisanje:

Citat:I have some news concerning this topic, according to one member of Serbian Mycity military forum, which claims that he saw official documents concerning this deal.

And according to him Karachi police ordered 3 Lazar 2 vehicles, and 13 BOV M11 armored vehicles, with option to expand this deal for one more Lazar 2, and 3 BOV M11.

Price of the Lazar 2 is around 1 300 000 $, in this configuration:

Armor - Level IV STANAG
Mine resistant - Level IIIb
Armed with - 12.7 RCWS
Termovision
Cartridge case and gunpowder gases collector
Run flat tires

Price of BOV M11 is around 450 000 $, in this configuration:

Armor - Level III STANAG
Mine resistant - Level IIb
Armed with - 12.7 RCWS
Run flat tires

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Ako su navodi iz Obrambe tačni cena je jako niska za takvo vozilo. Kakav to ima smisao raditi mukte?

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jazbar ::Ako su navodi iz Obrambe tačni cena je jako niska za takvo vozilo. Kakav to ima smisao raditi mukte?

Pise vec gore iznad sta je naruceno, ne radi se o 20 Lazara 2. Radi se o ukupno 20 vozila, od cega nije sigurna isporuka svih 20, vec 3 Lazara 2 (plus opciono jos jedan) i 13 BOV 11 (plus opciono jos 3). Pakistan je sigurno porucio 3 Lazara 2, i to je potvrdjeno i sa nase i sa njihove strane, i sve se onda uklapa u neku realnu cenu. Druga je stvar sto novinari kasnije svih 20 oklopnjaka prekrste u Lazare 2.

Nema sanse da je cena jednog Lazara 2 sa 12.7 RWS 350 000 evra.

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Novinarima je tesko da shvate da Srbija nudi vise tipova oklopnih vozila na tockovima. Pored dve verzije Lazara, verzije 1 i verzije 2, nudi se i BOV M10 (komandno) i M11 (izvidjacko). Jeste da su sasije za BOV stare TAM-ove, ali je ostatak vozila uradjen nanovo.

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