MiG-31 Foxhound

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Posto nisam mogao da dodjem do RIA novosti stranice sa tekstom o unapredjenju Mig-31 evo isti taj tekst sa jednog foruma:

"Russia plans complete overhaul of MiG-31 interceptor fleet
Ria Novosti,Russia ^ | 02/ 11/ 2006

Posted on 11/02/2006 6:15:25 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Russia plans complete overhaul of MiG-31 interceptor fleet

15:13 | 02/ 11/ 2006

MOSCOW, November 2 (RIA Novosti) - Russia plans to modernize its MiG-31 Foxhound interceptor aircraft, which have been in service for 25 years, the air force commander said Thursday.

The modernized interceptor will feature unique air-to-air missiles capable of hitting targets at ranges exceeding 200 kilometers (125 miles), including aircraft with stealth capabilities, cruise missiles, and supersonic aircraft, Army General Vladimir Mikhailov said.

"Modernization of the fleet of MiG-31 interceptors will significantly increase the combat capabilities of the air defense, especially over remote areas of northern Russia, Siberia and the Far East, where air defense contingents have been sharply reduced since the 1990s," Mikhailov said.

The MiG-31 modernization and overhaul program will be implemented at the Sokol aircraft plant in Nizhny Novgorod, in Central Russia.

Mikhailov said the modernized supersonic interceptor will become a formidable rival to all fifth-generation fighters, due to enhanced radar detection and tracking capabilities, and a wide array of advanced weaponry.

According to various sources, about 500 MiG-31s have been produced since serial production began in 1978, approximately 370 of which remain in service within the Russian Air Force. After modernization, the interceptors are expected to serve until 2015."

2015 stize Ruski 5 gen. lovac.

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Eto vidis i sam u upotrebi je 25 godina a neke radikalnije modernizacije nikada nije bilo. Pri tom opet mislim na avione koji su u front-line eskadrilama.

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zixo ::Eto vidis i sam u upotrebi je 25 godina a neke radikalnije modernizacije nikada nije bilo. Pri tom opet mislim na avione koji su u front-line eskadrilama.

Bilo je modifikacija. 1985 Mig-31B cini mi se. Nov radar i nove rakete. 1990 je uradjen Mig-31M ali svi znamo sta se desilo sa SSSR i ko je posle toga dosao na vlast u Rusiji. B.J. je prizemljio 80% Mig-31.

Takodje Mig-31 treba samo Rusiji i nikom vise. Gde ces da letis 1200km brzinom od 2.3M. Kina je pretezno naseljena na obali. Rusija je razvucena.

Su-27 je mladji samo par godina. I kao presretac ne moze se porediti sa mig-31. Ponovicu 1200km na 2.3M . A da sta je sa dugo ocekivanim radarom za Su-27? Koliko sam citao Mig-31 vec moze da dobije znatno jaci radar dok su-27 kuburi sa Ibris radarom.

A da VS je Mig-31 smatralo okosnicom svoje PVO. On bi navodio Su-27 i Mig-29. Mig-31 je prvi Sovjetski lovac koji se nije oslanjao na zemaljsku kontrolu letenja.

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@ mean machine

Moje znanje o vazduhoplovstvu je skromno ali dovoljno da procenim koji avion jeste zastareo poredeci ga naravno sa drugima. A ovde nismo da bi se prepirali vec smo tu da diskutujemo i nesto naucimo. Mogu nauciti i saznati nesto od tebe ali i ti od mene.

Sto se tice modifikacija, sve modifikacija B/BS su simbolicne i ne cine ga mnogo savremenijim. MiG-31M je dosta bolji ali nije uveden u operativnu upotrebu tako da ga i ne racunam. Sad sta ce Rusi dalje uraditi ostaje da se vidi. Uglavnom spremaju se za razvoj novog aviona.

Kina je pretezno naseljena na obali. Rusija je razvucena.

Kakve to ima veze? I Rusija je pretezno naseljena u svom evropskom delu.

P.S. Prouci malo radare sa derivata Su-27/30/35/37

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Da ali Rusija brani mnogo vecu povrsinu i samim tim im je potreban avion tipa Mig-31. Kini nije.

Evo sta kazu ljubitelji F-22 o Mig-31:

http://f22fighter.com/community/inde...26&topic=715.0

"- Whilest we in 2004-05 are trying to explore the advantage of going at speeds of mach 1.5-mach1.72 for prelonged periods of time (and are trying to save fuel by going on military settings) the Mig-31 was doing Mach 2.3+ for 700-800 Km Be it at afterburners but it could sustain those speeds for those distances.

- whilest the first Fixed phased array fighter radar to go into operation in the USAF was about 2-3 years back with the V(2) the Mig-31 had the Zaslon s-800 flash dance ready by 1979 and feiled and operational around 1982 making it by far the earliest phased array radar in the world (surpassing the B-1's radar by a large margin) and in those days the darn thing was giving u something like 108nm for a f-15 sized target..truely exceptional for those times..

- The JTIDS upgrade for some of the early F-15's started in and around 1992-1994 and the total upgrade was complete by 1998..whilest the Mig-31 was beaming down radar signals and missile launches through Data links in 1982. by Far the first operational fighter to use datalinking for both radar as well as weapon information.

- Have r-37's for long range cleanup and r-77's for medium range.


These and many more are mamoth acheivments for the soviets and the Mig designers who could not count on and rely upon the technology revolution that was taking place in the west.
The Mig-31 in my opinion was the ultimate in Air-defence anyone has ever gone It was most probably the biggest threat to the US and NATO forces more so then even the Flankers and Fulcrums in my opinion."

"in the early 80's all the US f-15's could do was verbal messaging with the AWACS crew the AWACS couldnt beam down any information to the F-15's...And if u give the US its advantage u must also give the soviets theirs.

- the mig-31 was designed as a layered defence system..Guided by GBR's (protected by one of the thickest SAM network ever concieved my mankind) They were the first in line..they could pick the Eagles at 108nm and flying 4 abreast they could cover almost 1000 Km.s , at that time their detection range was double of that of the F-15 agains them..they would fire their Long ranged weapon (R-37 with a similar phoenix range but with greater manueverability) from stand OFF ranges travelling at mach 2.3-mach 2.8 and at altitudes of 59,000 feet...at those speeds the kinematics of the missile were vastly increased and a lofted profile meant effecient range management and acceptable NEZ's..They could couple or ripple fire a few R-37's incase the first one missed as the missile was able to be fired using datalink (something the f-15's couldnt do till 1995) therefore the firing aircraft could disingage at lauch and the other mig-31 at a possible advantageous position would take over the guidance..Ofcourse like the phoenix the missile was independent at the end..Following on later they would either bug out or launch their Medium range missile r-27's/r-77's which had something comparable to sparrow/AMRAAM range..Ofcourse their mach 2.3 cruise speed and high altitude meant that if they wanted to Disingage from a fight the f-15's couldnt really do anything about it...Then they would bail out before say 15-20Nm of pass and let the su-27's which were trailing them do the close in work.."

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Ovde se malo mesaju babe i zabe.

-R-37 nikada nije uvedena u naoruzanje
-R-77 nije u naoruzanju standardnih MiG-31/B/BS
-F-15 nije pandan MiG-u 31 vec Su-27
-nista ne pise o tome koliko je radar MiG-a 31 otporan na ometanje
-sve pise kako je ''truely exceptional for those times.. '' i slazem se, ali sada i u buducnosti....ne znam bas....

Ako si vec postavio link sa necijim misljenjima, evo i mog linka u kome obrati paznju na dva coveka koji imaju izuzetno znanje, a prisutan sam i ja.

http://www.avijacijabezgranica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8002&start=0

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@zixo

Pa covek je poredio F-15 (najbolje sto je USAF imala) sa Mig-31. Sto se tice raketa tu ja stvarno nisam upucen. Nalazim na raznim sajtovima (od ruskih do americkih) razlicite rakete za Mig-31. R-37 jel to ono cudo sa ogromnim dometom verovatno da postoji samo kao prototip?

Meni je zanimljiviji podaci o data linku na Mig-31 i vrlo jakom radaru(108nm je valjda 200km) a u pitanju je 1982.

E jel znas neki link o Ibris radaru? Posto me bas interesuje kako ide prerada na Su-27 jer je bio predvidjen za Su-35 koji nikada nije usao u upotrebu (Super flanker)

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Pazi ovako.

Sto se tice lovaca-presretaca najbolje sto je USA imala je ustvari F-14 sa kojim se MiG-31 poredi kada su u pitanju lovci-presretaci. Porede se dakle radar i naoruzanje. F-15 je prvenstveno lovac ali i lovac-presretac ali ga ne mogu porediti sa MiG-31 mada bi se sigurno nasli u borbi. Nema sumnje da bi MiG-31 ulazio i izlazio iz borbe kada bi ,,hteo'' ali da li bi bio efikasan?

R-37 ima nekoliko prototipova. Postoji i projekat KS-172 dometa 300 km (sa ramjet motorima i do 400 km) namenjena za naoruzavanje Su-35/37, ali pitanje da li je realizovana.

Irbis radar bi trebalo da bude N011 i on je namenjen za Su-35. Znam da su u Su-27SM, a to je standard za modernizaciju ruskih Su-27P/S, modernizovali postojeci radar na standard N001V sa boljom rezolucijom i vecim dometom.

Vidi da li ima nesto ovde.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread174590/pg1

www.redstar.ru

http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-35/su-35.htm

http://www.aviapedia.com/category/documentation/feed/

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F-14 se nalazi na nosacima i brani nosace. Mislim da ne bi bilo pametno primicati nosace na domet Tu-22M. Takodje koliko F-14 je Amerika posedovala a koliko F-15? . F-15 je nastao kao odgovor na Mig-25. Tako pise u Aero magazinu

Dopuna: 18 Avg 2007 17:52

Off topic

Ruski AESA radari:
The Irbis(snow leapord in Russian) AESA :

The Irbis is a co-development between LRDE of India and Tikhomirov NIIP of Russia at a cost of US$160 million.

This new new, active phased-array airborne radar is to find its way into India's Su-30 MKI's by 2010 (replacing the present NO11M Bars phased array radar)

The Zhuk-MSF / Sokol-3 from the Phazotron NIIR OKB

Zhuk-MSF is the most up to date radar design by Phazotron. Sokol uses a non-equidistant rather than the traditional linear radar field distribution, which, Phazotron says, allows a fivefold radar cost reduction over a traditionally designed phased array radar. The production radar will have a 980mm antenna diameter (37dB gain) and weigh 275kg. The radar tracks 24-30 targets, engages the most dangerous 6 to 8 of them. Its electronic beam steering will give ±70 deg spatial coverage in both axes. Power output is 8kW peak, 2 - 3kW average. It is designed for high reliability, and is frequency agile with LPI and anti ECM features. Phazotron says it will be capable of interleaving between air-to-air and air-to-ground modes.

Velocity search: 245km head-on vs fighter target.(This figure is no longer quoted. The mode may have been removed)

Range-while-search, lookup mode: 180-190km head-on / 80km tail-on vs fighter target.

Range-while-search, lookdown mode : 170km head-on / 60km tail-on vs fighter target.

Track-while-scan mode: 150km head-on vs fighter target.

Against a large target such as a bomber or AWACS aircraft detection range comfortably exceeds 300km.
The Koyopo-F AESA :

The electronically scanned Kopyo-F is still under development and is expected to cost around 50% more than the Kopyo-M. It is a lighter and more reliable set, coming in three versions that offer low, medium and higher ranges. With an antenna diameter of 440 mm, it is aimed for small nosed aircraft or as a rearward facing radar for the Su-30/Su-34 series.The transmitter has a peak power output of 4 kW and 0.4 kW average.

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F-14 je povucen iz naoruzanja. Jeste brani nosace ali sto se ne bi mogao koristiti i sa kopnenih aerodroma?

Jeste F-15 nastao kao odgovor na MiG-25.

USN je ukupno imala 190 F-14. Trenutno oko 490 F-15 i oko 230 F-15E u naoruzanju USAF.