Su-57 novi ruski lovac

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Kod MiG-35 se cesto provlaci podatak da sistem za izbegavanje raketa je u stanju da automatski izbegne raketu. Ovo je uradjeno verovatno zbog velike sanse da je pilot vec se onesvestio zbog g sile ili je dekoncentrisan.

da li to podrazumeva ako je on usao u neki manevar u dogfight-u ili napadu na zemlji, da ce kompjuter pekinuti manevar i izvesti defanzivni manevar, ispustiti mamce i sl?

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Iz francuskog casopisa Air & Cosmos

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Besotted ::mean_machine ::
Kod MiG-35 se cesto provlaci podatak da sistem za izbegavanje raketa je u stanju da automatski izbegne raketu. Ovo je uradjeno verovatno zbog velike sanse da je pilot vec se onesvestio zbog g sile ili je dekoncentrisan.

da li to podrazumeva ako je on usao u neki manevar u dogfight-u ili napadu na zemlji, da ce kompjuter pekinuti manevar i izvesti defanzivni manevar, ispustiti mamce i sl?

Moja greska. Evo pogledao sam na aviapediji i računalo radi sledece:

1.upozorava pilota na raketu koja je vrlo blizu i informise ga o bitnim parametrima (brzina i pozicija rakete)
2.automatski izbacuje mamce radi postizanja sto boljeg maskiranja
3.predlaze koji manevar da se primeni

Verovatno da je stavka pod tri napredak u odnosu na ranije sisteme

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Ако је на Т-50 1 коришћена слична шема фарбања као на Су-35,МиГ-29СМТ
онда би требао да изгледа нешто као на овој слици.

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Hvala, ti uvjek imaš nešto zanimljivo

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Da i ja dodam koju informaciju:


o motoru: [Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]

Otaku ::Notable discussions on other fora are regarding the definitive 5G engine.
They're calling it Article 127, as opposed to the current 117, and they suggest the PAK-FA intakes were specifically designed for this engine.

They're aiming for ~18T of thrust (that's 3 more than the current 117!!)...but much depends on ending the bickering between NPO Saturn & MMPP Salyut and declaring a programme leader (status & ca$h)- projected for Q1 2010.

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Ovo je prevod iz jednih ruskih novina sa označenim najzanimljivijim delovima: [Link mogu videti samo ulogovani korisnici]

Citat:
-The Russian military complex has created a fifth generation airplane that will cost less than American counterparts.

-The T-50's start has inspired air force reform
((Deliveries to begin in 2015. Because of the T-50's capabilities, the air force will be reorganized into one tactical or operational tactical command, eliminating separate strike and air defense elements.))

-In pursuit of the American Raptor
((Work on a fifth generation aircraft actually began in the 1980s, but the collapse of the Soviet Union meant Russia had to shelve the idea for some years.))

-The "Berkut" did not succeed
((Test pilot Igor' Votintsev made first flight in the S-37-1 "Berkut" on 25 September 1997. It was recognized as having no future early in the beginning of the 21st century. Many experts believe the PAK FA already will be obsolescent by the time it enters service in 2015, even if it does reach the troops by then.))

-The "fifth" ((generation fighter)) has been tried out piecemeal

((Elements of the T-50 have been tested on the Su-27 and Su-30, and the Su-47 "Berkut" became its flying laboratory. Nearly 70 percent of the T-50 was built using composites, according to information available to Gazeta.))

-The new airplane is not a detriment to customers
((Because elements of the T-50 are being used in exported aircraft.))

-Tooling without paper
((There are no drawings of the aircraft, only computer models. Everything was compiled in electronic format, most likely CAD-CAM.))

-What propels the fighter
((So far the T-50 is powered by an upgraded Su-27 engine as the final engine still has not been selected from the two being built by Salyut and Saturn.))

-Honored test pilot and hero of Russia Colonel Igor' Malikov: "It's no secret that military aircraft are unprofitable"

-Fire and forget
((Weapons systems.))

-Climate control is not enough for comfort
((They are trying at least to make the ejection seat softer and more comfortable.))

-Thrust vectoring sometimes is earth-oriented
The fifth generation - satisfaction does not come cheaply

-Russian air force commander-in-chief General-Colonel Aleksandr Zelin: "The appearance of a new air defense system is inevitable with the appearance of fifth generation airplanes."

-Russian Federation armed forces armaments chief (1994 - 2001), General-Colonel Anatoliy Sitnov: "We will finish the T-50 more quickly than the Americans did their F-22."

-Konstantin Makienko, deputy director for the Center of Strategy and Technologies Analysis: "Fifth generation airplanes have one deficiency - a huge price tag."

Source: 12.02.10, Gazeta, Correspondents: Anastasiya Novikova, Liliya Biryukova, Denis Tel'manov, Nadezhda Tikhomirova

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Besotted ::"It would have an artificial intellect, almost at the level of human intellect," General Makarov was quoted as saying by agencies."

Shinko ovo ce da bude poput MiG-31 kojim je upravljao Clint Eastwood i gde je bilo potrebno da pomisli na komandu da bi avion to i izvrsio. Kompletna integracija Man/machine sa elektroimpulsa u mozgu preko kacige i software-a do FBW i oruzanog sistema.

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Više puta u prošlosti je rečeno da če imati veštačku intelegenciju ili kako to Rusi kažu elektronski pilot odnosno e-pilot. I sam direktor Suhoja je na nekom salonu rekao "It's a living thing".

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završen danas drugi let- trajao je 57 minuta.



The main distinction of the aircraft is the computer analysis of all information. A pilot receives the results of the analysis in the form of prompt messages, GZT.ru wrote.

The exploitation of the new plane will be cheaper in comparison with its predecessors. For example, the cost of one hour of exploitation of Su-27 (4th generation) makes up $10,000. The price for the same time of exploitation of T-50 is expected to be reduced to $1,500.

Nikolai Makarov, Russian armed forces chief of staff, said that Sukhoi’s T-50 would have several advantages over its US rival – F-22 Raptor.

“First and foremost, it goes about high, nearly human intelligence,” Makarov said.

In addition, T-50 will be a lot cheaper than the US analogue, although the price has not been exposed yet, Makarov said.

Russia started working on the fifth-generation aircraft during the 1980s, but the works were suspended after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The US prototype of the modern F-22 fighter jet took off for the first time in 1990. Russia returned to the development of the domestic fifth-generation aircraft only in 2002.

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A joj novinari. Napravice sprdnju od PAK-FA. 1500$ sat leta???

Na sta li ide da mi je znati

U nekom ruskom TV prilogu na youtube-u, ako sam ih dobro razumeo sat leta bi trebao da bude duplo jeftiniji u odnosu na Su-27.

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Pa koliko ce onda imati odnos potiska/mase? Napravice mrlju od pilota kada ga cepne po forsazu. Nesto mi mnogo zvuci..

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Da bi resili misteriju motora evo sta nam kaze wiki:

Citat:The Al-41F program was launched in 1985, and the first protoype engine flew in a Tu-16 Badger testbed in 1990. Prototype engines delivered 39,600 lbf (176 kN) of wet thrust, with 45,000 lbf (200 kN) a design target for the engine.

Citat:The 117S (AL-41F1A) is a major upgrade of the AL-31F based on the AL-41F intended to power the Su-35BM, producing 142 kN (32,000 lb) of thrust in afterburner

Ako prebacimo u kilograme

AL-41 ima forsaz od oko 18tona (toliko je razvio prototip) dok ce kroz razvoj motora dostici oko 20tona.

(motor Su-35BM) 117s ima forsaz od oko 14tona.

(motor Su-27/30/34) AL-31F ima forsaz od oko 12.5tona.

Znaci prva verzija AL-41 je 128% motora 117s ili 144% motora AL-31F.

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mean_machine ::Da bi resili misteriju motora evo sta nam kaze wiki:

Citat:The Al-41F program was launched in 1985, and the first protoype engine flew in a Tu-16 Badger testbed in 1990. Prototype engines delivered 39,600 lbf (176 kN) of wet thrust, with 45,000 lbf (200 kN) a design target for the engine.

Citat:The 117S (AL-41F1A) is a major upgrade of the AL-31F based on the AL-41F intended to power the Su-35BM, producing 142 kN (32,000 lb) of thrust in afterburner

Ako prebacimo u kilograme

AL-41 ima forsaz od oko 18tona (toliko je razvio prototip) dok ce kroz razvoj motora dostici oko 20tona.

(motor Su-35BM) 117s ima forsaz od oko 14tona.

(motor Su-27/30/34) AL-31F ima forsaz od oko 12.5tona.

Znaci prva verzija AL-41 je 128% motora 117s ili 144% motora AL-31F.

To je vec bolje. ne znam gde se dede post gde si spomenuo da ce imati 1.5x veci potisak od Al-41F, pa nesto mi bilo monstruozno veliko cak i za 22m avion inace verovatno laksi od Su-27/35 jer ima neki lupaju cak i do 70% kompozita (ali ja bih licno bio zadovoljan i sa 40-ak).
To bi mu dalo stelarno ubrzanje. Jesi li izbrisao taj post ili sam ja to nesto pogresno procitao?