Chengdu J-10

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mean_machine ::mareCar ::djole81 ::Kinezi su u oblasti avionskih radara, nadmašili Rusiju, to je više nego evidentno.

Ma da. Na primer po tome da...sta?



Danas Kina ima aesa radare na zemlji, moru i u vazduhu. Zato Rusi nisu uveli L-band aesa radare u svoje naoruzanje? Ne verujem da ne mogu da naprave L-band modul. Dakle novac je verovatno problem.

Procitaj jos jednom sta je on napisao, pa onda procitaj sta ti pises. Nema veze jedno sa drugim.

Ovo je stvarno postala komedija da ne poverujes...podseca me na pre 10-15 godina kad su svi pricali jedni drugima bajke o tome koliko su rusi najjaci od amera u svemu...samo je se to sad iz kafane premestilo na internet... vratite se u kafanu (ima je i ovde na forumu) sa tim bajkama i pricama, ovo su tehnicke teme i sluze za tehnicke raspravke i sakupljanje tehnickog materijala i podataka, a ne za neke bajke "pa, dobro, znas ocigledno je da su nadmasili xyz po svemu..." bez ikakvih tehnickih podataka da podrze tezu

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Napisano: 12 Jun 2011 18:07

Following are some updates by eaglehannon





Confirmed: The 50 new jets will be Block 2 JF-17s. The structure parts will be flown to Chinese for final avionics and testing assembly. Unlike the first block where all avionics were assembled at Kamra. I think thats why Media is confusing "Made in China". The reason is new radar readied by Nanjing Institute with complex assembly procedures. Sensor suit is an upgrade and all Chinese.
I am not sure about this emergency bases thing in Media. I think its wrong news. but I have not confirmed it. This posted info is from a senior person as our ordinary pilots an engineers can not comment on anything as such for obvious reasons. I dont write any account of interaction with them as there has earlier been an incident of disclosure some times back and the blamed person had to bear consiquences (I was not party in that. Someone here was he knows it)

Confirmed: Current jft block 1s will not be upgraded. It will be replaced by block2s at the end of 150 jets. A new squadern will be raised for the sole purpose of training foreign buyers of this aircraft and rest of the examples will move to CCS to replace ageing Aircrafts. Block 2 might be the last version of JF-17s. The block2 radar (will disclose name and improvements once I get a nod from someone senior... or not) shall be the standard radar for all JF-17s. Improvements will all be based on this standard version. Block 1 radar carrying planes are exception.

Confirmed: PAF FC-20's 90% pending issues are finished. The wings are slightly modified and are composite structures (above 50%). Canard foreplane's hight is slightly changed.
I am sure the tactics for this plane are already in place and this Aircraft will see front lines immediately on induction (my estimate: this years end or starting mid next year). FC-20 is a excellent platform as per pilots. Confirmed by the ones who did it, it does perform that SU30's famous manuver and recovers much faster than it.

Confirmed: SD-10B is already inducted. Numbers are being made up. It is indeed confirmed that side by side performance comparissons put it on par with Aamram120c5s. All JF-17s and FC20s will carry it for next 5 years before a new version is presented. (Confirmed existance of a NG Medium range missile programe by Chinese for their stealth version). The Meteor is out of equation as vendor will now allow integration with Chinese platorms.

From a Chinese source: There is still a posibility of J-11B with russian engine for PK Navy. I said it before in 2009. PAF comment was, its all dependant on WS10 engine which may be common in FC20 and J11B. I wish it materialize as I have heard it over and again by senior navy officers. Surface assets are vulnerable to attack. I remember posting a detailed conversation with a senior navy officer some times ago.

Dopuna: 12 Jun 2011 18:11



Dopuna: 12 Jun 2011 18:14

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Confirmed: PAF FC-20's 90% pending issues are finished

Does this include AESA, it is one of te PAF' s requirments, right ?

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eagle hannon is one of the pakistani engineers in china on j10b project --- he says paf requirement is aesa--- maybe paf is waiting to see which mmrca india chooses , before finalizing the finals specification of fc20

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sa pakistan defence foruma :

Citat: There are acturally three stages to get IOC for the PLA's fighter.Take the J-10B as an example,in the first stage it's prototype had being designed and built in the CAC which you can take photoes since the CAC localises in the central Chengdu and there's no such seriouse military background and security guard,that's why you see the recent J-20 and UAV's picture.Everybody can take shoots in Chengdu.
In the second stage,the J-10B was sent to the AVIC test cental in Yanlian for weapon integration,testing and all kinds of flight test.It has strong militry background and heavy security,only insiders can leak something there.After the testing,the CAC will start to produce a small batch of J-10B for the PLAAF test cental in Changzhou which it's in the stage three.
In Changzhou,the PLAAF will make all kinds of combat test and write the user manu for the J-10B,then induct it to the PLAAF.At this point the CAC can massivelly produce it.As far as I know,the J-10B just finished the stage two and returned back from Yanlian,the next step is to send it to the PLAAF testing cental for real combat test

Ako je tako, onda se početak proizvodnje može očekivati sledeće godine

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there is a rumour--

paf was trying to buy used f16s [40] by the time j10b is matured [2013] -- but now paf has dropped the idea of used f16s and instead purchasing 2 types of j10

1] 40 j10a with j10b avionics [2011]
2] 100 j10b [2013]

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Did Pakistan already order J-10?

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pakistani pilots and engineers are on j10b project for several years-- i think the j10a airframe + j10b avionics is a stop gap measure till j10b are mass produced

there are never public contracts between pak and china always secret agreements