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OK. It's obvious that they are testing WS-10 in more than one type of aircraft. The question is when will they be enough reliable to last for lets say 2000 hours.



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An engine has nothing called "supercruise ability". Supercruise just means that an aircraft can brake the sound barrier without turning on the afterburner, which requires that the dry thrust of the engine is high enough to propel the loaded and armed plane to such speeds.



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we will see that based on paf 's procurement however putting ws10b/g on a single engined fighter means they have a lot of faith in it and most of the reliability issues are now history

i dont know if the j10b supercruise ability is weight and atmoshphere dependent like we see in grippen

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mareCar ::An engine has nothing called "supercruise ability". Supercruise just means that an aircraft can brake the sound barrier without turning on the afterburner, which requires that the dry thrust of the engine is high enough to propel the loaded and armed plane to such speeds.
Engine has to be optimised for long-duration supercruise.

ANTIBODY ::we will see that based on paf 's procurement however putting ws10b/g on a single engined fighter means they have a lot of faith in it and most of the reliability issues are now history
My concern is not that it will blow in mid air. What I'm interested in is time till firs overhaul and life span. So does WS-10 last for 500, 1000 or 1500 hours. For AL-31 life time is 1500 hours.

Perhaps the first two squadrons for PAF will be powered with Al-31. I'm just interested will Russian sell Al-31FN or some improved version.

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jazbar ::Ranxerox ::TOP GUN :: AESA radar po dosta parametara ne bi trebao biti ništa lošiji od F-16 block-52... O kojim to AESA radarima prićaš na F-16 Blok 52?
De de, jazbare, nemoj se nervirati....pRogreška moja(my bad)to je bila 18-ca na indijskom tenderu sa AESA...
Ali meni lično , jedino ovaj avion(od svih Kineskih tzv..ultra super giga modernih)ima neku zaokruženost kao razvoj tehnologije i kao borbena mashina, deluje najubedljivije od svih kineskih "novih" aviona i ako bih ga poredio sa nekim avionom to sigurno nebi bio ni tajfun ni rafal već samo F-16(o J-20, neću da trošim reči)

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Misljenja sam da se u F-16 Block 52 lako, po zelji kupca koji ima novca moze ugraditi AESA radar sa Block 60.

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Leonardo ::OK. It's obvious that they are testing WS-10 in more than one type of aircraft. The question is when will they be enough reliable to last for lets say 2000 hours.

They are using AL-31 which have 900hours of service life. I think they would be very pleased if they match that service life.

That is if we dont count their AL-31 service life upgrade which extend engine service to 1600hours.

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Uvek sam se pitao i sad se pitam- zasto ne kupe AL-31FM1 za taj J-10B.
Imali bi 133kN,2000 sati zivotni vek,i 1000 sati medjuremontni rok (a izuzetno moze i do 1500h znaci nema remonta Smile )

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A verovatno hoce taj novac da uloze u WS-10.

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Meni se čini da sa FN na kraju prodju skuplje kad se uračunaju svi troškovi. Kraći životni vek, ranije mora na remont...

Pratili ste valjda razvoj događaja prethodnih godina. Ilegalne kopije Su-27/30 pošto Rusi nisu hteli da prodaju napredniju tehnologiju Kinezi su prestali da uvoze avioniku i radar vec samo motore, a i njih ne bi da ne moraju. Onda ona smešna priča sa Su-33 kad su tražili samo 2 pa da se odluče da li će ih naručiti u većem broju. A ponovno pokretanje proizvodnje zahteva, ako se dobro sećam, barem 24 aviona...

Da me je neko pitao pre tri/cetiri godine ko ce raditi na T-50 sa Rusima ja bih ko iz topa rekao Kinezi. Recimo Indija mi ne bi ni pala na pamet.
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