Chengdu J-10

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Napisano: 08 Aug 2011 0:07

nabil05 ::

Who said J-10 was not detected? The thing is that J-10 had the better of SU-30, thats it.

i qouted a guy from idf who was giving the ratios








Guys ! i want to tell you something - most of the chinese info is in chinese language and google translate does a very crappy job at translating chinese -- so i post here primarily by qouting chinese friends or after translating and concentrating the facts as concisely as possible

We know more on jft and now the news of j1ob is gradually being released - this is a new progress in the chinese information industry , before this , the chinese used to be so secretive that we couldnt find any pics from chinese media

i will give you an example

f7p and f7mg was test flown by paf f16 test pilots in cac in 1997 and ultimately with cooperation the f7pg [which i posted in chinese thread today] came to exhistance -- the news of ''cooperation'' cant be proved by secretive chinese media however we do have a pic in the autobiography of one of the test pilots , kaiser tufail.




http://www.blogger.com/profile/05733145033238064933

Dopuna: 08 Aug 2011 0:14

i can give 3 chinese forum links if anyone is interested

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@ANTIBODY
Mistakes happen. "Not being detected" just isn't plausible.


nabil05 ::The thing is that J-10 had the better of SU-30, thats it.
Yeah it's a realistic possibility. We must gather more information and by putting pieces together in time we will create better picture and understanding. It's a complex problem because you have to take so many things in account. And of course sometimes emotions also play a role

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Citat:Who said J-10 was not detected? The thing is that J-10 had the better of SU-30, thats it.

My Vietnamese friend told me that there was a 4:0 for Su-30MKV.

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J-10B

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Napisano: 08 Aug 2011 18:58

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Dopuna: 08 Aug 2011 19:32

Here are word from PAF pilot after a test of J-10A
Weinuoqie.
Silapanni [Pakistan Test Pilot, Itranslate the name from Chinese pronunciation, correct me if i'mwrong]:I feel very impressed by his manipulation system, excellent performance and mobility close-air support (CAS) and battlefield interdiction (BAI) , his air combat particularly worthy of praise.
维诺切斯拉潘尼：试飞中国的歼10战斗机，我的感觉很好，他的操控系统，性能优异，飞低－低－低，打击飞行 ，很理想。机动性能特别值得赞赏

The missile launching system is not in line with my habit, but its easy to operate, the reliability is very good. Compare to F-16 I flied, the reaction speed is a bit faster.
导弹发射系统手持姿态，不太符合我的习惯，但是，操作简便，可靠性也是很不错。对比我试飞的F 16战斗机来 说，反应速度比歼10要慢一些。

J-10 is uniquely designed to compatible with American missiles, the radar scanning distance is very close with F-16. Compare with F16 the resolution is slightly low probability . However, the cockpit design is very modern, compared with the early F16AB, I can have to say it is far beyond.
歼10的观瞄系统设计上十分独特，他可以有效兼容我们目前使用的多种类型美国形式的导弹，雷达 扫描距离与 F16比较接近。分辨率概率较之F16略有不足。但是，座舱设计十分现代，对比早期的F16AB来说，可以 说完全超越。

The combat radius range to 1,100 km , with drop tanks the range can extend to 1,300 kilometers; Afterburner system is runing very attractive smooth. Resonance within relatively small, compare to F16AB.
加力系统工作十分顺畅，开启加力座舱内偕同震动概率比较低，比较舒适。比F16B的共振，要舒 适很多。比较 适合快速突防使用作战。航程方面他大于F16的900公里作战半径，可以延伸到1100公里。 加装2座副油 箱可以提高到1300公里。

Electronic sensor system seems slightly inadequate, particularly lack of rapid opening butterfly-lock-twisting incockpit . repairation is very tedious once, the transient fault. System software can supoort Chinese/English. However, English is also an acceptable language for us.
电传系统，略显不足，特别是机舱内缺乏快速开启蝶型锁扭。一旦出现暂时性故障，修复十分繁琐。操作软件，目 前是中英文系统，没有我国文字系统。但是，英文也是我们可以很好的接受的语言。

J-10 has full vision of backsight while Su27mkk 's backsight is weak.
下视与后视能力，是他的主要特点，你无需在座舱内再四处观望，通过显示屏你可以观察到后部，下部，任意角度 的视角，这样，在战斗中，打击敌人十分便利。目前印度引进的生产的SU27MKK机型，也带有下视能力，但 是后视能力不足。


Data transmission systems of J-10 's is more complicated, it is not easy to master . possibiy due to China has to accompany a variety of early-warning radar systems, in our country, some of its functions can be eliminated accordingly to our early-warning radar link.
数据传输系统歼10显得比较复杂，不容易快速使用，但是这与目前中国空军配属的多种预警雷达系 统有关，如果 在我们国家，则会减少其一些相应功能，以适合我们为数不多的预警雷达连接系统。

Finally, I think that in combat, When I can pilot it out to fight our enemy ,Depend on the excellent air mobility, superior electronic fire control system. and the performance of the long-range precision-guided weapons, Add with my experience , I do think. My enemy should be ready to become a "droop angle spiral slide in air," they have no chance of survival.





^ interview of paf test pilot of j10a in 2005/2006

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"compared with the early F16AB, I can have to say it is far beyond.
Resonance within relatively small, compare to F16AB. "

Congratulations to China, you have managed to match the rest of the worlds airplanes from 1978. Together with your newest missiles which also match the rest of the worlds missiles from the same time around, you can consider yourself to have arrived in the end of the 1970s and maybe even the beginning of the 80s. Congratulations. In the 1990s you were in the 50s, now, 20 years later, you are already in the late 70s/early 80s. Great success, incredible developement! Maybe in some 10 years you will arrive in the 90s....?

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i have not gone on typhoon / rafale threads to spam them with sarcastic remarks and neither should this thread be treated like that.


paf is a very professional institution and the upgraded jets that we make with china a also gives them credibility of that version in export to other countries -- e.g e f7 pg/mg [had 36 modifications in paf version] a-5 version in paf [had 55 modifications] -- and they were thus exported to other countries which trusted paf's strict quality standards.

j10b is a 4.5 generation fighter , nothing more nothing less

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Napisano: 08 Avg 2011 20:57

@mareCar

Only F-18C/D in 1980's had color display, USAF didnt had amraam in 1980' and AIM-9M was their best missile up to XXI centry.

Just to remind you

Dopuna: 08 Avg 2011 21:16

My error, F-18C/D didnt had color display it had Horizontal Situation Display which use 35mm track films.

We can say USAF didnt had color display in cockpit of their fighters in 1980's.

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@mareCar
You are claiming something that isn't true. J-10B's definitely '90 and beyond technology. When compared to 3rd (4th) generation fighter jets with some new features like delta-canard configuration, DSI air intake, if I'm not wrong stealthier two-piece bubble canopy...
It remains to be seen when will they finish AESA radar and also bring out version with composite materials.

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Marecar probably thought on J-10A, not J-10B.